2019 GT3RS vs 2018 6spd Manual GT3... THE REAL STORY!
09-29-2018, 06:36 PM
#16
Alright Fellow Rennlisters! As we were able to make the request happen... who would win, when both cars properly driven:
2018 6 speed Manual GT3
2019 PDK GT3 RS
Both owners decided on taking a quick trip to Mexico, and try to post some UNBIASED roll races, between the new GT3 RS and the 6spd Manual GT3.
This 6spd Car has run neck and neck with the new Turbo S from a roll, and knowing this... we were a bit of a skeptic of the videos being posted showing the RS 'walking away' from the '18 GT3, and lack of multiple runs.
Now, the GT3's that had been racing the RS' had been PDK to PDK, and there is something to be said for a slight increase in drive-train loss for the PDK vs. Manual (looks to be about 5 to 10 HP at the most depending on the dyno).
You will see MULTIPLE passes here between the RS & the 6spd Manual... and what both the owners agreed... was that once both cars were rolling... the GT3 did seem to pull ever so slightly in the higher gears (4th/5th).
We worked to make these runs EXTREMELY FAIR... and frankly, noticed if the 6spd car got the jump... the 6spd was gone. If the RS got the jump... it was a much closer race... and the 6spd would creep back up on the RS.
Regardless, both cars are AMAZING... and are confident a PDK RS vs. PDK GT3... the RS is going to win. And frankly, if you aren't perfect at rowing the gears... the PDK probably wins against the 6spd cars as well.
Both drivers met at a local gas station near the border and filled up their tanks so that both cars were as delivered, no passengers and full tanks of fuel.
We tried to get a Turbo S and a PDK GT3 car to attend, however their schedules weren't able to make the trip.
https://youtu.be/RewOYIQbQGY
Best Regards,
Dave
2018 6 speed Manual GT3
2019 PDK GT3 RS
Both owners decided on taking a quick trip to Mexico, and try to post some UNBIASED roll races, between the new GT3 RS and the 6spd Manual GT3.
This 6spd Car has run neck and neck with the new Turbo S from a roll, and knowing this... we were a bit of a skeptic of the videos being posted showing the RS 'walking away' from the '18 GT3, and lack of multiple runs.
Now, the GT3's that had been racing the RS' had been PDK to PDK, and there is something to be said for a slight increase in drive-train loss for the PDK vs. Manual (looks to be about 5 to 10 HP at the most depending on the dyno).
You will see MULTIPLE passes here between the RS & the 6spd Manual... and what both the owners agreed... was that once both cars were rolling... the GT3 did seem to pull ever so slightly in the higher gears (4th/5th).
We worked to make these runs EXTREMELY FAIR... and frankly, noticed if the 6spd car got the jump... the 6spd was gone. If the RS got the jump... it was a much closer race... and the 6spd would creep back up on the RS.
Regardless, both cars are AMAZING... and are confident a PDK RS vs. PDK GT3... the RS is going to win. And frankly, if you aren't perfect at rowing the gears... the PDK probably wins against the 6spd cars as well.
Both drivers met at a local gas station near the border and filled up their tanks so that both cars were as delivered, no passengers and full tanks of fuel.
We tried to get a Turbo S and a PDK GT3 car to attend, however their schedules weren't able to make the trip.
https://youtu.be/RewOYIQbQGY
Best Regards,
Dave
Just wondering, why not include a standing start video as well? Also, PCCB's vs Steel brakes?
Great to see how less loss of power through a manual transmission can put power to the wheels if driven property but I think the video would have been more interesting/compelling with both having ceramic or steel brakes making the cars more identical.
09-29-2018, 06:42 PM
#17
Pro
Thread Starter
I too wish the cars had the same brakes, but in the prior roll race when the GT3 had steel brakes, everyone said they didn't matter. 😉
Best Regards,
Dave
09-29-2018, 06:53 PM
#18
We just wanted to remove driver variance, so stuck with 1st gear and 2nd gear rolls. I'm sure we can line up some standing starts at the next 1/2 mile event in Gila Bend.
I too wish the cars had the same brakes, but in the prior roll race when the GT3 had steel brakes, everyone said they didn't matter. 😉
Best Regards,
Dave
Agreed on the brakes. Only one way to find out if the steel vs ceramics matter!
09-29-2018, 07:04 PM
#19
Race Director
Fair enough, appreciate the reply. Definitely love to see a standing start! I mean, if were going to tout the benefits of a manual transmission for less power loss, then the other side of that coin is being able to get your car off the line efficiently with a manual.
Agreed on the brakes. Only one way to find out if the steel vs ceramics matter!
Agreed on the brakes. Only one way to find out if the steel vs ceramics matter!
As for steel vs PCCBs- not going to make a difference- it will when you have to clean the cars
09-29-2018, 07:41 PM
#21
RS owners could always transplant a MT to keep up...haha.
These results also hint that the 992 GT3 will have turbos.
These results also hint that the 992 GT3 will have turbos.
09-30-2018, 12:23 AM
#24
RS was an RS but then they offered it without a manual.
Now plenty of people that can afford both choose the GT3.
Now plenty of people that can afford both choose the GT3.
09-30-2018, 09:11 AM
#25
lol that put all the nayslayers on the other post looking a bit daft saying , manual means nothing as do PCCB's RS will always win....
now we have a Manual PCCB car quicker than a RS :-) be interesting manual PCCB vs normal GT3 steel PDK.
now we have a Manual PCCB car quicker than a RS :-) be interesting manual PCCB vs normal GT3 steel PDK.
09-30-2018, 12:09 PM
#26
Race Director
I wonder which is really quicker around the track??.- probably will depend on which track
09-30-2018, 12:53 PM
#27
Rennlist Member
Close windows, level wing and leave RS in Auto PDK when drag racing.
manual reduces torque in 1st and 2nd and hitting the rev limiter doesn’t help
It’s only just as fast as GT3 over 100 MPH.
RS is faster on any track.
manual reduces torque in 1st and 2nd and hitting the rev limiter doesn’t help
It’s only just as fast as GT3 over 100 MPH.
RS is faster on any track.
09-30-2018, 12:59 PM
#28
that said, the last race seemed to be the most fair. even start for both, no missed shifts. and in that video, you can see the cars are neck and neck up until probably 100mph, where the GT3 starts to pull (no doubt due to the slicker aero, which was exacerbated by the RS's open window).
09-30-2018, 01:30 PM
#29
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Close windows, level wing and leave RS in Auto PDK when drag racing.
manual reduces torque in 1st and 2nd and hitting the rev limiter doesn’t help
It’s only just as fast as GT3 over 100 MPH.
RS is faster on any track.
manual reduces torque in 1st and 2nd and hitting the rev limiter doesn’t help
It’s only just as fast as GT3 over 100 MPH.
RS is faster on any track.
Yeah put it in Auto to remove the driver! I'm looking forward to the 994 GT3 RS where you go to your favorite track,the GPS will recognize you're at SPA,press a button and enjoy your popcorn and Frappuccino while the car will be putting lap time after lap time until the tires give out. At that point the nanny will take you to the pits " for your safety ".
09-30-2018, 01:36 PM
#30
Rennlist Member
It’s faster on every track in auto or PDK.
Thats just an answer to a question above.
i don’t understand your problem with my post.
we’re comparing two 991.2 variants and I was only explaining how the .2RS could go faster in a drag race.
personally I have no interest in drag racing or manual 991 and later cars.
If I go manual, I prefer slower true analog cars.
Not rev matching for me.
Thats just an answer to a question above.
i don’t understand your problem with my post.
we’re comparing two 991.2 variants and I was only explaining how the .2RS could go faster in a drag race.
personally I have no interest in drag racing or manual 991 and later cars.
If I go manual, I prefer slower true analog cars.
Not rev matching for me.