Verdict on Particulate Filter?
09-21-2018, 04:38 PM
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Verdict on Particulate Filter?
Quick question, sorry if it's opening old wounds lol.
In the USA, will any 991.2 GT3RS come with particulate filter or is that just for Europe and ROW?
In the USA, will any 991.2 GT3RS come with particulate filter or is that just for Europe and ROW?
09-21-2018, 05:19 PM
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09-21-2018, 07:48 PM
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Interesting, seen pf on diesels, never on gas
09-23-2018, 12:25 AM
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Its all a ploy by the stealers to fuel the GT hype machine
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10-09-2018, 03:01 PM
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Federal law requires emissions equipment to be warrantied 8 years/80k miles...I find it hard to believe any manufacturer would include unnecessary emissions equipment on US cars.
If this turns out to be the case, it will be interesting to see if the EU allows temporary registration of non-compliant cars for factory delivery next year and beyond.
If this turns out to be the case, it will be interesting to see if the EU allows temporary registration of non-compliant cars for factory delivery next year and beyond.
10-09-2018, 03:40 PM
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verdict seems to be that there is no plan to include a particulate filter on any GT cars at the moment. my understanding is that the new regs in Europe (Euro 6?) were mandating a PF for any car built after Jan 1, 2019. that may be the case, but there aren't currently any vehicle production dates for European deliveries that I am aware of. it seems like what happened was Porsche front loaded the Euro deliveries earlier this summer (which is why U.S. car builds got a later start) in order to get as many out the door as they could before the regs kicked in. my guess is that there are no cars built for Europe after Jan 1 if it's true that they need a PF (just don't see any way they could implement it without some massive power handicap), but maybe there will be more for ROW.
10-09-2018, 03:50 PM
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^ I find that hard to believe, even if GT3 and GT3RS production will be done for the EU in 2018...no Speedsters? No GT4s? No Spyders?
10-09-2018, 04:11 PM
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sorry, I meant all GT3's and RS'. you're right about the others - of course those are coming. my guess is that they will have a filter if in fact it's required for Euro regs. not sure if Porsche would build two separate cars - one for Europe and one for ROW (even if it is unnecessarily expensive to add it to ROW cars). that's what my dealer said, anyway. take that for what it's worth.
10-09-2018, 05:33 PM
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low production cars are allowed either in stupid burocracy europe
the burocrats think to save the planet because they believe the planet ( in a tolemaic way ) is only europe!
the burocrats think to save the planet because they believe the planet ( in a tolemaic way ) is only europe!
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verdict seems to be that there is no plan to include a particulate filter on any GT cars at the moment. my understanding is that the new regs in Europe (Euro 6?) were mandating a PF for any car built after Jan 1, 2019. that may be the case, but there aren't currently any vehicle production dates for European deliveries that I am aware of. it seems like what happened was Porsche front loaded the Euro deliveries earlier this summer (which is why U.S. car builds got a later start) in order to get as many out the door as they could before the regs kicked in. my guess is that there are no cars built for Europe after Jan 1 if it's true that they need a PF (just don't see any way they could implement it without some massive power handicap), but maybe there will be more for ROW.
The new emission standards are called 6c and 6d-TEMP (most new cars needs to comply to both) and took effect on September 1st. 6c is tested in lab conditions and 6d-TEMP is tested on the road.
PF isn't mandated, but it seems cars need them to pass the on road testing. The emission limits has not changed from the previous emission standard. The on road tests allow a deviation of 110 percent from the lab results. Still all manufacturers have needed to make changes to pass the on road testing. That shows how unrealistic the previous lab results have been on especially NOx and PM emissions.
The Porsches who currently have PF haven't suffered any power loss. The Cayman and the Cayman GTS have PF and have the same power as before.
All Lamborghini models now have PF, and they have the same power as before. So its possible on NA cars as well.
10-09-2018, 06:29 PM
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The new emission standards has nothing to do with saving the planet. It has to do with air quality. The problem is with PM and NOx particles and they don't really harm the plant. They cause adverse health effects and are linked with tens of thousands of deaths in Europe each year.
10-09-2018, 08:19 PM
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The new emission standards are called 6c and 6d-TEMP (most new cars needs to comply to both) and took effect on September 1st. 6c is tested in lab conditions and 6d-TEMP is tested on the road.
PF isn't mandated, but it seems cars need them to pass the on road testing. The emission limits has not changed from the previous emission standard. The on road tests allow a deviation of 110 percent from the lab results. Still all manufacturers have needed to make changes to pass the on road testing. That shows how unrealistic the previous lab results have been on especially NOx and PM emissions.
The Porsches who currently have PF haven't suffered any power loss. The Cayman and the Cayman GTS have PF and have the same power as before.
All Lamborghini models now have PF, and they have the same power as before. So its possible on NA cars as well.
PF isn't mandated, but it seems cars need them to pass the on road testing. The emission limits has not changed from the previous emission standard. The on road tests allow a deviation of 110 percent from the lab results. Still all manufacturers have needed to make changes to pass the on road testing. That shows how unrealistic the previous lab results have been on especially NOx and PM emissions.
The Porsches who currently have PF haven't suffered any power loss. The Cayman and the Cayman GTS have PF and have the same power as before.
All Lamborghini models now have PF, and they have the same power as before. So its possible on NA cars as well.
The new emission standards has nothing to do with saving the planet. It has to do with air quality. The problem is with PM and NOx particles and they don't really harm the plant. They cause adverse health effects and are linked with tens of thousands of deaths in Europe each year.