Verdict on Particulate Filter?
10-10-2018, 11:02 PM
#16
Racer
I’ve no doubt the PF will lower power on an RS, that’s why Andreas Pruminger said earlier at the launch of the GT3 RS that the PF car would still make 518 BHP , he failed to tell us that the non PF RS puts out considerably more ( 550). Its a play on words, there is no loss of power as they under declared the power for the non PF cars.
10-17-2018, 12:07 PM
#18
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11-14-2018, 12:16 AM
#21
Drifting
From what I have read on other threads, no, there will not be a particulate filter for GT3s destined for the USA. I believe the laws changed in Europe this fall (which is why Porsche cranked out a lot of GT3s for Europe before the particulate filter law went into effect). Without the particulate filter law in the USA (Trump is actually reversing Obama's clean air initiatives, he is not making clean air initiatives more stringent - not saying I agree with this, it just is what it is), Porsche can now focus on cranking out GT3s for North America, minus the particulate filter. The real issue I see here is what will Porsche do with the 992 GT3? Europe will have the particulate filter requirement and the US will not. Apparently, the filter can affect the engine power (again, just telling you what I have read - can't give you an explanation for why that is). So, will the European 992 GT3s be neutered compared to the USA's, since they will have the filter? Or will Porsche just include the filter in the USA models, just to keep the playing field equal? Bottom line, the ever-tightening European restrictions will continue to affect the cars we receive here in the USA. Do you think Porsche would have done away with the NA engine in the Carrera if it had not been for the tightening emission restrictions? Nope. They did it because they had to, not because they wanted to. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out with the 992 generation GT3.
11-14-2018, 07:12 AM
#22
Thanks for the updates guys. I have to believe if it’s in christophorus that’s going to be true, but I’m hoping it’s changed. I too have read other threads that say the NA cars won’t have them. Does anyone have info from someone at PCNA first hand?
11-14-2018, 09:19 AM
#23
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This is the Christophorus article in full: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/tech...388-16349.html
This indicates to me that all Porsche cars in all regions will have a GPF. The filter technology can be implemented as a separate inline device that looks like a catalytic converter or it can be integrated directly into the converter. The article indicates that, at least on 911 and 718 models, they will use a fully integrated 4-way catalytic converter. That means that visually it will look pretty much the same as the current non GPF implementations.
This indicates to me that all Porsche cars in all regions will have a GPF. The filter technology can be implemented as a separate inline device that looks like a catalytic converter or it can be integrated directly into the converter. The article indicates that, at least on 911 and 718 models, they will use a fully integrated 4-way catalytic converter. That means that visually it will look pretty much the same as the current non GPF implementations.
11-14-2018, 09:39 AM
#24
Drifting
I am reading it differently: "...as of September 1 of this year, all new Porsche models (emphasis mine) with gasoline engines will be successively outfitted with particulate filters, with six- and eight-cylinder models receiving two filters, one for each cylinder block." The 991.2 GT3 is not a new model. I doubt that they spent all sorts of R and D money to outfit an outgoing model with new technology. Yes, they are still producing new GT3s but it is not a new model as of September 1st. I agree, it would be nice to hear straight from the PCNA horse's mouth about this but from what I have read, it is not in North American 991.2 GT3s.
11-14-2018, 09:51 AM
#25
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I am reading it differently: "...as of September 1 of this year, all new Porsche models (emphasis mine) with gasoline engines will be successively outfitted with particulate filters, with six- and eight-cylinder models receiving two filters, one for each cylinder block." The 991.2 GT3 is not a new model. I doubt that they spent all sorts of R and D money to outfit an outgoing model with new technology. Yes, they are still producing new GT3s but it is not a new model as of September 1st. I agree, it would be nice to hear straight from the PCNA horse's mouth about this but from what I have read, it is not in North American 991.2 GT3s.
11-14-2018, 10:43 AM
#26
I agree with your interpretation and assessment. I have read numerous times that Porsche has no GPF solution for current gen 991.2 GT3 and RS and they front loaded EU production so that they could ship non 6c vehicles to ROW after September 2018. But for any 992 GT3 they will have GPF for all markets. Also the upcoming 718 GT4...
11-14-2018, 02:07 PM
#27
My read on that article is that it won't have the PF filter because I don't see the 2019 as a "new model". PFs cost money and adding unnecessary equipment that will also lead to warranty cost seems counter to what a company would want to do.
For the 992, I could imagine the US cars not getting a filter if they can meet requirements without it. The EU cars could have the same power rating, but the US cars might make just a bit more power.
For the 992, I could imagine the US cars not getting a filter if they can meet requirements without it. The EU cars could have the same power rating, but the US cars might make just a bit more power.
11-16-2018, 11:12 PM
#30
When I called pcna the other day to ask about my lock date for my RS allocation (1/30/19), I asked her about whether the pf was going to be in the car. She said she wasn't 100% but to her knowledge it would. She told me to follow up with the dealer because they would be able to give me more info. I was in a hurry so didn't ask more questions. Thought I would share...