Did Champion Porsche really rip off more than 30 GT3 buyers' deposits?
09-12-2018 | 06:25 PM
#46
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Personally I think this is awesome and both Porsche and Champion eat it. Maybe now this BS will stop. Porsche knew good and well of all the ADM BS. They just didn't want to address it and turn their head. I hope this sh&t stops and they address EVERY dealer playing these games. If you think it is just Champion, you are crazy.
09-12-2018 | 06:29 PM
#48
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If you live by the Ferrari model, you may die by the Ferrari model....especially if you bastardise the Ferrari model to allow allocation sales. Very sad for those adversely affected, most especially those that wanted cars to drive and enjoy.
09-12-2018 | 06:30 PM
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It is the reason we have all these crappy spec delivery mile (mostly 6MT because they thought it was going to be the R) sitting at stealers like PNH for these premiums. When instead someone that actually wanted to keep the car could have specced it just like they wanted it. Some of the crap I am hearing, these dealers are just as guilty. they know what cars they are going to get back to jack up the prices on. It's called collusion just unfortunately they are not breaking any laws but collusion still.
09-12-2018 | 06:56 PM
#53
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Personally I think this is awesome and both Porsche and Champion eat it. Maybe now this BS will stop. Porsche knew good and well of all the ADM BS. They just didn't want to address it and turn their head. I hope this sh&t stops and they address EVERY dealer playing these games. If you think it is just Champion, you are crazy.
09-12-2018 | 07:00 PM
#54
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i did but not what I ordered and pressured to take it or he’d sell to someone else and I’m out on a PTS car that I waited for #$!?. Changed the price in the end too he said he’d do sticker for the what he called someone else’s mistake but then charged me the full retail and kept my $15k.
Paid Copan for delivery, but the deposit was like it never happened on paperwork car sold where it looked like sticker plus tax in my state no adm incl.
dealer knew and cover for him I assume? isn’t he family I don’t know?
MERGE THE THREADS PLEASE
Please give us the details of the financial transaction for your purchase, like which entity did you pay to buy the came when it came in? Was your deposit moved from Champion Autosport to Champion Porsche as a credit? Did the invoice show the price of the car at MSRP? I think you'll be able to provide a lot of information as to whether the dealership had an idea of what this scumbag was doing.
dealer knew and cover for him I assume? isn’t he family I don’t know?
MERGE THE THREADS PLEASE
09-12-2018 | 07:12 PM
#55
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I’m selling my second allocation at 20K over to, to make up most of what I had to pay extra for a 25K over first allocation with European delivery that I’m doing next week.
If my original dealer had just given me the .2 MSRP allocation they promised me 3 years ago, things would have been simpler.
09-12-2018 | 07:19 PM
#56
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If the sales transactions were happening at MSRP, then the State of Florida will want to know about it. They have the right to the tax on the ADM and the MSRP, not just the MSRP. And State regulation of car transactions is one of the most regulated transactions to happen.
09-12-2018 | 07:44 PM
#57
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Originally Posted by Drifting
reasonable point.
I’m selling my second allocation at 20K over to, to make up most of what I had to pay extra for a 25K over first allocation with European delivery that I’m doing next week.
If my original dealer had just given me the .2 MSRP allocation they promised me 3 years ago, things would have been simpler.
I’m selling my second allocation at 20K over to, to make up most of what I had to pay extra for a 25K over first allocation with European delivery that I’m doing next week.
If my original dealer had just given me the .2 MSRP allocation they promised me 3 years ago, things would have been simpler.
Gotcha. A tricky situation, but understand your rationale.
Anyway, have a blast on the Euro delivery! Experience of a lifetime
09-12-2018 | 07:46 PM
#58
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How does this have anything to do with the ADM BS? This is an employee who scammed people on deposits. Also, how does PCNA have anything to do with it? The guy ran a scam. I can see Champion having fault as it's their employee and whatever controls are in place did not work, but for PCNA to be responsible is far fetched. Now that said, I am sure they will be named in a lawsuit and will participate in settling somehow, but that is just good business practice at that point and they may also have insurance that will help cover the fraud. Hopefully Champion does have insurance that will help them cover this and get money back to those folks who where subject to the fraud. I feel bad for the people affected, it sucks. And I also feel bad for the people at the dealership who knew nothing about this and now their livelihood is ruined because of one jerk who decided to rip people off. Bad situation all around.
09-12-2018 | 07:58 PM
#59
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How does this have anything to do with the ADM BS? This is an employee who scammed people on deposits. Also, how does PCNA have anything to do with it? The guy ran a scam. I can see Champion having fault as it's their employee and whatever controls are in place did not work, but for PCNA to be responsible is far fetched. Now that said, I am sure they will be named in a lawsuit and will participate in settling somehow, but that is just good business practice at that point and they may also have insurance that will help cover the fraud. Hopefully Champion does have insurance that will help them cover this and get money back to those folks who where subject to the fraud. I feel bad for the people affected, it sucks. And I also feel bad for the people at the dealership who knew nothing about this and now their livelihood is ruined because of one jerk who decided to rip people off. Bad situation all around.
