Originally Posted by STG
(Post 15303649)
The things you're talking about have nothing to do with the current case.
This isn't personal, it's business .... take your emotional stake out of this. I haven't read hundreds of posts here , just curious did SS scam you , are you one of the victims in his criminal enterprise ? my bet is if so you will be getting your deposit back . bummer to not get the car you had dollars down for if the case . |
The scary part is that STG has no horse in this race. Just a wacky fixation. |
Originally Posted by RDM2418
(Post 15303692)
@Porsche should set up a site where you can login and check the status of your car. Sort of like the configurator - with icons to show order received, building car, shipping. You get a password, login to site maintained by Porsche HQ and confirm build, etc. Scam would not have worked if way to confirm build/order with second layer. Dealers would like because customers would not have to bug sales people for order status.
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Originally Posted by R.Deacon
(Post 15303768)
STG
bummer to not get the car you had dollars down for if the case . I wonder what the real downside is for Champion in all of this? |
Originally Posted by 993KHTO
(Post 15304128)
Yeah real "bummer" especially if other dealers offered the same exact car to you, but you couldn't buy it from them because you have a contract with Champion.
I wonder what the real downside is for Champion in all of this? |
Originally Posted by Archimedes
(Post 15303813)
The scary part is that STG has no horse in this race. Just a wacky fixation. I hope STG (and others) keeps up the pressure. |
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Originally Posted by chillindrdude
I hope STG (and others) keeps up the pressure. The useless comments by those who can't control themselves and can't avoid checking in here (when they could care less about the issue) only motivates me more. Fact is Shiraaz disappeared and emailed them end of August. No victims were ever contacted. Once they started calling, Champion wouldn't have any discussions with them and pushed them off to their attorneys. Only since the media coverage started last week have they released their memo and started discussions with victims trying to come to mutual arrangements. Says something .... Can you imagine the media $$ value on all this coverage and exposure? A handful of them .. Attachment 1291658Attachment 1291657Attachment 1291656Attachment 1291655 The first and best coverage: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timei...s%3fsource=dam Attachment 1291659 |
Originally Posted by chillindrdude
There's no requirement to be a victim in order to be an advocate.
Seems like the Rennlist hecklers have their own set of rules. Shows you who they really are. Enough with them, they waste everyone's time. |
If I were in charge at Porsche... I'd build enough 2019 GT3s to allocate those affected, and require Champion to sell them at MSRP as penalty for lax controls and oversight.
And if I were in charge at Champion... I'd then donate difference between cost and MSRP to each customer's favorite charity. |
Originally Posted by bluehorseshoe
(Post 15304296)
If I were in charge at Porsche... I'd build enough 2019 GT3s to allocate those affected, and require Champion to sell them at MSRP as penalty for lax controls and oversight.
And if I were in charge at Champion... I'd then donate difference between cost and MSRP to each customer's favorite charity. |
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Originally Posted by Porsche71
(Post 15301395)
"spot checking" emails of employees? I'd be surprised if they were't restoring several versions of his mailbox to look for customer emails. Any company that does spot checks into people emails' is pretty damn sleazy. And it doesn't really catch much anyway. Since people tend to delete those things. |
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Originally Posted by DainLankfordLA
(Post 15304394)
I'm glad you're not in charge.
Porsche doesn't owe anything and Champion seems to be handling refund of deposits (according to those who actually have been impacted). I love pitch fork mentality of many in the world. Scary. I have ordered a few high end cars with waiting lists: in 2001 I put a deposit on a CL55 and was told 18 months, 9/11 came and so did my car 4 weeks after i ordered it - sad but true in 2010 I ordered a 997.2 GT3 from Champion, paid the deposit & six months later the car was delivered in 2012 I ordered the next gen GT3, when the began delivering cars there was an issue, they were catching fire Champion at my request applied my deposit to a GT3RS and i waited two more years, only to be told I wasnt going to get my car & my deposit was returned. I was angry and felt slighted - so what? we are all big ballers - in our own minds. Keep in mind there always bigger ballers with stronger dealership relationships. When Porsche intentionally builds an new desirable model, knowing the hype and orders will exceed production this is how the game gets played. It's not new, been played for years. Ferrari is the master, as is Rolex & Audemars Piguet. I kept my R8v10 and life goes on. I recommend you read a short story - The Secret Life of Walter Mitty - since you probably wont it goes like this: Walter Mitty uses his powers to make all the wheels in world square, thus all transportation stopped. in the end Walter Mitty wakes up and realizes it was just a dream. |
Originally Posted by Evilfrog
(Post 15304382)
Any company that does spot checks into people emails' is pretty damn sleazy. Very true! However, should a company have any significant reason to believe (such as a prior lawsuit) that illicit activities are being conducted through their servers / email, they have every right at that point to monitor & spot check only the suspected employees electronic transmittals. EDIT: All, this quote was incorrectly attributed to @R.Deacon - my true apologies to him for the mistake. |
Originally Posted by bluehorseshoe
(Post 15304296)
If I were in charge at Porsche... I'd build enough 2019 GT3s to allocate those affected, and require Champion to sell them at MSRP as penalty for lax controls and oversight.
And if I were in charge at Champion... I'd then donate difference between cost and MSRP to each customer's favorite charity. If you want Porsche to help then better solution is find out all who are affected and if you want to build them a GT car then send the allocation to a DIFFERENT dealer and allow the good dealer to gain a customer for life. I also hope they do find SS and make him face his day of reckoning. I hope this more so because in a court of law you are going to see and get exposure to ALL the other people involved and purely IMO that will be quite the list to include some well known brokers I bet. It will also give Porsche insight, not that they don't know, to the shenanigans going on with these GT cars. |
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