GT car / Salesman - Shiraaz Sookralli - Champion Porsche's VP of Marketing
09-14-2018, 04:40 PM
#646
I'm surprised by sentiments such as this. I feel bad for the guys who got bamboozled by Champion Porsche. But this situation has made me feel even more fortunate to lock up a PTS GT3. Between the difficulty of navigating the elusive PTS schedule, the endless ADM charges/dealer games/flipping, and this Champion Porsche debacle, I'm amazed and thankful to have landed one with no problem.
I have been treated fairly and honestly by my local dealer, but all of the GT car BS that goes on is making me think twice about buying a new Porsche in the future. In my opinion Porsche is ultimately responsible at the end of the day. Maybe not for every transaction that takes place, but they are well aware of the crap going on with GT car allocations and the VIP program and appear to be doing nothing about it. Also, trying to order regular cars like Turbo's and Targa's can be much more difficult than it needs to be, not to mention PTS. The entire allocation system is a joke.
The only thing that's a joke are the customers who are more than willing to play the ADM, etc. game. Period.
If people stopped paying ADM, the dealer would not be asking for them and making it seem difficult for them to obtain a car. And, you need to stop blaming Porsche for this because it has been said hundreds of time that they have no control over this.
If people stopped paying ADM, the dealer would not be asking for them and making it seem difficult for them to obtain a car. And, you need to stop blaming Porsche for this because it has been said hundreds of time that they have no control over this.
GT cars are the last NA cars PAG makes, and if you want Euro Delivery/spec the car the way you want the only way to do that is ADM or start buying Macans and Panameras. If there was an easier way we'd all go that route. Or you are saying walk away from Porsche/GT cars which is the path I am considering now... & I squarely blame Porsche/PCNA completely. They use GT cars to incentivize sales for US dealers? They know what's going on and by staying silent and letting the dealers do as they please they are effectively supporting these BS practices.
09-14-2018, 04:43 PM
#647
Three Wheelin'
All I know is that we NEED to be very careful moving forward of those car FLIPPERS of any brand and model. They come from all walks of life. 
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
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Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
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09-14-2018, 04:43 PM
#648
The only thing that's a joke are the customers who are more than willing to play the ADM, etc. game. Period.
If people stopped paying ADM, the dealer would not be asking for them and making it seem difficult for them to obtain a car. And, you need to stop blaming Porsche for this because it has been said hundreds of time that they have no control over this.
If people stopped paying ADM, the dealer would not be asking for them and making it seem difficult for them to obtain a car. And, you need to stop blaming Porsche for this because it has been said hundreds of time that they have no control over this.
Your holiness, I agree with you but Porsche has full control over ADM, it was just too convenient to keep things this way.
09-14-2018, 04:46 PM
#649
Race Director
Originally Posted by GT3RS-Fan1
All I know is that we NEED to be very careful moving forward of those car FLIPPERS of any brand and model. They come from all walks of life.
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
LINK:
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
LINK:
There is a lot of shady stuff going on between brokers and dealers which some buyers will get mixed up with.
09-14-2018, 04:48 PM
#651
Three Wheelin'
09-14-2018, 04:50 PM
#652
Race Director
09-14-2018, 04:55 PM
#653
GT cars are the last NA cars PAG makes, and if you want Euro Delivery/spec the car the way you want the only way to do that is ADM or start buying Macans and Panameras. If there was an easier way we'd all go that route. Or you are saying walk away from Porsche/GT cars which is the path I am considering now... & I squarely blame Porsche/PCNA completely. They use GT cars to incentivize sales for US dealers? They know what's going on and by staying silent and letting the dealers do as they please they are effectively supporting these BS practices.
09-14-2018, 04:59 PM
#654
Race Director
See guys ...CHAMPION DID KNOW about the 991R fraud case against Shiraaz. See Jalopnik article. Champion settled and shell company Rampage was known to Champion. Shady.
What do you say critics?
What do you say critics?
Last edited by STG; 09-14-2018 at 05:25 PM.
09-14-2018, 05:00 PM
#655
Sadly, that seems to be the case. There appear to be some that are able to get spec'able GT* allocations at MSRP without buying more mundane stuff, but they are exceptions that often have associated stories. From a business perspective it makes complete sense that dealers do this.
09-14-2018, 05:02 PM
#656
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
As a business owner myself, sudden death of the owner could most definitely expose the business to opportunists to take advantage of such situations especially, if they know the customers and the business well
Very unfortunate situation both for the owner's family and for the customers.
Very unfortunate situation both for the owner's family and for the customers.
This was going on before the owner died.
09-14-2018, 05:11 PM
#659
Race Director
Originally Posted by promocop
How many people are heading over to Champion to buy a car today...? Bueller...? Bueller...?
They will say that they're also a victim in this and try to get sympathy. We were taken advantage of (when really we knew how shady this guy was for years).
It was only those sports car guys who were affected by this. Don't worry your Cayenne, Panamera and Macan deals are safe with us.
The average FL snowbird and Miami local will know little about this or care. The enthusiasts on the other hand hopefully have higher standards.
09-14-2018, 05:17 PM
#660
Three Wheelin'
