R.Deacon

STG
I haven't read hundreds of posts here , just curious did SS scam you , are you one of the victims in his criminal enterprise ?
my bet is if so you will be getting your deposit back . bummer to not get the car you had dollars down for if the case .

Archimedes

usctrojanGT3

That is an excellent idea!

993KHTO

Yeah real "bummer" especially if other dealers offered the same exact car to you, but you couldn't buy it from them because you have a contract with Champion.
I wonder what the real downside is for Champion in all of this?

Streak

I was wondering about this. Can Champion be sued for lost opportunity? If one of these depositors does't end up with the GT car they thought they were getting and thus cannot get one is there a lost monetary value associated with the lost opportunity and potential future value of the car?

chillindrdude

There's no requirement to be a victim in order to be an advocate.

I hope STG (and others) keeps up the pressure.

STG

The useless comments by those who can't control themselves and can't avoid checking in here (when they could care less about the issue) only motivates me more.

Fact is Shiraaz disappeared and emailed them end of August. No victims were ever contacted. Once they started calling, Champion wouldn't have any discussions with them and pushed them off to their attorneys.

Only since the media coverage started last week have they released their memo and started discussions with victims trying to come to mutual arrangements. Says something ....

Can you imagine the media $$ value on all this coverage and exposure?

A handful of them ..



The first and best coverage:

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timei...s%3fsource=dam

STG

Seems like the Rennlist hecklers have their own set of rules. Shows you who they really are. Enough with them, they waste everyone's time.

bluehorseshoe

If I were in charge at Porsche... I'd build enough 2019 GT3s to allocate those affected, and require Champion to sell them at MSRP as penalty for lax controls and oversight.

And if I were in charge at Champion... I'd then donate difference between cost and MSRP to each customer's favorite charity.

993pbug

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. It is the very least that can be done but only after all deposits taken are fully refunded + any associated fees expended during the course of recovery efforts on the depositors behalf.

Evilfrog

[QUOTE=993KHTO;15303642][QUOTE=R.Deacon;15303598]No. Active spying on employees is not something that successful company's do. There should be controls in place to where you can audit someones email for forensics. Depending on their policy, they'll be required to be able to recreate a mailbox up to 90 - 180. They may have the ability to go older technically. But since this isn't a publicly traded company, they aren't required to be SOX compliant. They do take Credit Cards, so they'll at least be PCI compliant. It's been about 8 years since I've dealt with that. Most of that is around network security and access to customer payment data. But I don't recall if there were mailbox controls.

I'd be surprised if they were't restoring several versions of his mailbox to look for customer emails.

Any company that does spot checks into people emails' is pretty damn sleazy. And it doesn't really catch much anyway. Since people tend to delete those things.

STG

http://www.losangelesfinancialtimes....existent-cars/

Toad Hall

well put Dain - for those keyboard vigilantes that have taken an instant dislike to my opinions, so be it, i felt compelled to share my opinions based on real life experience. I have context knowing all the parties. Hopefully those of you in other regions will find it helpful.



I have ordered a few high end cars with waiting lists:

in 2001 I put a deposit on a CL55 and was told 18 months, 9/11 came and so did my car 4 weeks after i ordered it - sad but true
in 2010 I ordered a 997.2 GT3 from Champion, paid the deposit & six months later the car was delivered
in 2012 I ordered the next gen GT3, when the began delivering cars there was an issue, they were catching fire
Champion at my request applied my deposit to a GT3RS and i waited two more years, only to be told I wasnt going to get my car & my deposit was returned. I was angry and felt slighted - so what?

we are all big ballers - in our own minds. Keep in mind there always bigger ballers with stronger dealership relationships. When Porsche intentionally builds an new desirable model, knowing the hype and orders will exceed production this is how the game gets played. It's not new, been played for years. Ferrari is the master, as is Rolex & Audemars Piguet.

I kept my R8v10 and life goes on.



I recommend you read a short story - The Secret Life of Walter Mitty - since you probably wont it goes like this:
Walter Mitty uses his powers to make all the wheels in world square, thus all transportation stopped.
in the end Walter Mitty wakes up and realizes it was just a dream.

993pbug

Very true! However, should a company have any significant reason to believe (such as a prior lawsuit) that illicit activities are being conducted through their servers / email, they have every right at that point to monitor & spot check only the suspected employees electronic transmittals.

EDIT: All, this quote was incorrectly attributed to @R.Deacon - my true apologies to him for the mistake.

goin2drt

So reward a dealer that knowingly had a slime ball on the payroll but was bringing in big numbers of clients and whales all knowing he was a piece of crap because of a prior incident and still kept him because of GREED and wanting to keep their "top dealer" rating. You can say whatever you want but Champion deserves all they are going to get, that was the price they paid for taking the risk. Porsche shouldn't give them ANY GT allocations because they have obviously demonstrated they can't handle the frenzy. I hope STG keeps up the pressure, I hope Champion gets punished and I hope Porsche doesn't give them one allocation. I also hope the affected get their money back and never have to deal with Champion again. I am sorry $2.5M doesn't get moved around without PLENTY of people knowing what is going on.

If you want Porsche to help then better solution is find out all who are affected and if you want to build them a GT car then send the allocation to a DIFFERENT dealer and allow the good dealer to gain a customer for life.

I also hope they do find SS and make him face his day of reckoning. I hope this more so because in a court of law you are going to see and get exposure to ALL the other people involved and purely IMO that will be quite the list to include some well known brokers I bet. It will also give Porsche insight, not that they don't know, to the shenanigans going on with these GT cars.