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Old 08-18-2018, 01:26 AM
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Agree with you. But 95% of the posters here are not experienced track guys. Most would be much better off saving the extra money on the slightly faster car and getting lessons instead.
but most ppl dont like to take lessons bc they are sennas

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Old 08-18-2018, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
I have a roll bar now but plan to cage the new one.
Adds risk on the street and will add padding.


Why not cage Purple instead?

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Old 08-18-2018, 06:32 AM
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I’m surprised there aren’t more folks discussing the dangers of running a cage and using harnesses on the street.

I know when I put them in my gt4 it was a calculated thought process/ risk. Its a car I push to the near limit on track. A good spin into a barrier could cause some harm if I have my harness on and no HANS.
Which is why roll bars are not street legal in US. Also think about passenger liability if you run a roll bar on the street. More little black cloud stuff from an attorney..but hey, it’s what I do. Your welcome. 😬
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Old 08-18-2018, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mooty
but most ppl dont like to take lessons bc they are sennas
So true. The best improvement in lap times one can make is to improve the device operating the controls to the device it wants to go faster.

My first day at a race school (after a year of hpde’s) the first thing I learned was how much I didn’t know.
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Originally Posted by Buteo



I’m surprised there aren’t more folks discussing the dangers of running a cage and using harnesses on the street.

I know when I put them in my gt4 it was a calculated thought process/ risk. Its a car I push to the near limit on track. A good spin into a barrier could cause some harm if I have my harness on and no HANS.
Tell me how dangerous it is to have a roll bar when my underside is facing the sky vs no roll cage. And why would anyone use the 6 point harness on the street? Car still has the 3 point.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RennOracle
Tell me how dangerous it is to have a roll bar when my underside is facing the sky vs no roll cage. And why would anyone use the 6 point harness on the street? Car still has the 3 point.
your point is a good one BUT passenger cars today have roofs that are designed to support the weight of the car and normal street speeds don’t normally involve multiple roll overs as you might see with car going 2x + Highway speeds.


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Old 08-18-2018, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RennOracle
Tell me how dangerous it is to have a roll bar when my underside is facing the sky vs no roll cage. And why would anyone use the 6 point harness on the street? Car still has the 3 point.
...like I said, it’s a calculated risk/reward. You can present any scenario you want to state the positives and I could give another for the negatives. Tell me how that’s going to help you when you have a impact that pushes a seat into the bar? Or better yet you or a passenger bangs their head during an impact.

And you would be surprised at how many folks wear 6 pts on the street thinking it’s a safer than a 3 pt.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Buteo

...like I said, it’s a calculated risk/reward. You can present any scenario you want to state the positives and I could give another for the negatives. Tell me how that’s going to help you when you have a impact that pushes a seat into the bar? Or better yet you or a passenger bangs their head during an impact.

And you would be surprised at how many folks wear 6 pts on the street thinking it’s a safer than a 3 pt.
Valid point that it comes down to risk tradeoffs and a system may be safer for one scenario but less safe for another scenario. We have limited data on these things, so it comes down to a judgment call.

A 6-pt could be safer on the street than 3-pt for some scenarios, but I only use the 3-pt on the street. When I have passengers at the track, I generally advise them to use the 3-pt rather than the 6-pt if they don't have a HANS.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:08 PM
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Is a 6 pt even street legal? It’s not in CA.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
A 6-pt could be safer on the street than 3-pt for some scenarios, but I only use the 3-pt on the street. When I have passengers at the track, I generally advise them to use the 3-pt rather than the 6-pt if they don't have a HANS.
I do the same. I always advise to use the 3pt as well unless like you said, they have a HANS.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Waxer


Why not cage Purple instead?

Already has bar and will be mostly daily drive after warranty runs out.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR


Already has bar and will be mostly daily drive after warranty runs out.
Pete: you are hard core. Are you welding full cage in .2 3RS? 😬
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Already has bar and will be mostly daily drive after warranty runs out.
That car is so used to being driven hard, i wonder how well it holds up with regular street driving? lol
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Waxer


Pete: you are hard core. Are you welding full cage in .2 3RS? 😬
its bolt in.

Originally Posted by robmypro


That car is so used to being driven hard, i wonder how well it holds up with regular street driving? lol
It’s gonna last forever
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Buteo
And you would be surprised at how many folks wear 6 pts on the street thinking it’s a safer than a 3 pt.
I’ve seen too many videos of Shmee wearing 6 points with no hans, and he still does!
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