Porsche 911 GT3 RS Destroyed In Severe Isle Of Man Crash
06-05-2018, 06:28 PM
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06-05-2018, 09:31 PM
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06-06-2018, 06:28 PM
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06-06-2018, 08:04 PM
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That's not it. US regs test for sufficient material deformation around the head area. Roll bar needs to be padded, as BMW, Jeep, and others do. Remember that US regs assume occupants are not belted in; EU regs assume they are.
06-07-2018, 02:53 AM
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BMW can do it.
Others sell it in an offroad only box.
Porsche FAIL, big time..
Refuses to sell us the parts that let us live when an accident happens while using the car as intended.
I told AP in person, he agree that if Dodge can do it, they should be able to as well.
Followed up in writing more then 6 months ago. No response (I didn't expect any). But no action either and that's surprising.
I simply don't understand why they let this happen!?
2:12 at Sebring without cage is not funny.
Others sell it in an offroad only box.
Porsche FAIL, big time..
Refuses to sell us the parts that let us live when an accident happens while using the car as intended.
I told AP in person, he agree that if Dodge can do it, they should be able to as well.
Followed up in writing more then 6 months ago. No response (I didn't expect any). But no action either and that's surprising.
I simply don't understand why they let this happen!?
2:12 at Sebring without cage is not funny.
06-07-2018, 03:23 AM
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RS'es *should* come with a cage like RoW, or in the least, have that in a box for aftermarket install. Would be pretty cool that way too--like how the original 2.7 RS ducktail was supplied in a box because it was too "radical" for German authorities at the time...
06-07-2018, 03:29 AM
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Agree there should be a way to make it happen. The OEM half-cage is a certified safety part; what is the basis for the DOT to outlaw the same, and on what expert opinion?
RS'es *should* come with a cage like RoW, or in the least, have that in a box for aftermarket install. Would be pretty cool that way too--like how the original 2.7 RS ducktail was supplied in a box because it was too "radical" for German authorities at the time...
RS'es *should* come with a cage like RoW, or in the least, have that in a box for aftermarket install. Would be pretty cool that way too--like how the original 2.7 RS ducktail was supplied in a box because it was too "radical" for German authorities at the time...
06-07-2018, 04:18 AM
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BMW can do it.
Others sell it in an offroad only box.
Porsche FAIL, big time..
Refuses to sell us the parts that let us live when an accident happens while using the car as intended.
I told AP in person, he agree that if Dodge can do it, they should be able to as well.
Followed up in writing more then 6 months ago. No response (I didn't expect any). But no action either and that's surprising.
I simply don't understand why they let this happen!?
2:12 at Sebring without cage is not funny.
Others sell it in an offroad only box.
Porsche FAIL, big time..
Refuses to sell us the parts that let us live when an accident happens while using the car as intended.
I told AP in person, he agree that if Dodge can do it, they should be able to as well.
Followed up in writing more then 6 months ago. No response (I didn't expect any). But no action either and that's surprising.
I simply don't understand why they let this happen!?
2:12 at Sebring without cage is not funny.
Gave Andy a hard time about it last two times I was over, as well. He wants to have it, and has tried.
All of the ^ is correct, and my take is that—if the structural members are as close to my head as they are in a 981 (and that's pretty close) and can be certified, then surely the 991 half cage can be certified with some padding added, right? Apparently not that easy, due to geometries and where the 991 bars go vs some other cars. Also suspect at least as much of the problem is PAG's view of US litigation, which is hard to blame them for given the 930 and CGT suits. See sub strap holes in RH LWBs, etc.
But yes, it is a bummer that a test for unbelted child safety (which, once I looked into it, is a surprisingly good law given how stupid far more parents than I expected are) is compromising safety for other Americans using these cars as intended. Maybe they will have a solution with the 992? It's a real bummer with the .2 2RS and 3RS...as the Ti cage is a thing of beauty.
06-07-2018, 04:32 AM
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Hi Pete,
thank you!
Your name came up today actually as we did another comparison aka musical chair with some awesome cars in your neck of the woods and you may want to share that, as you can like nobody else.
I was just a guest but you know all the brains behind the madness.
I see your points and fully agree. BUT.. If Porsche would care who lives or dies in GT cars, then it would be an easy solution to let someone sell all the Clubsport stuff in a box for offroad use only.
Worst case scenario to mega distance themselves, they could turn a blind eye to have someone sell “knock offs”.
Others care and can and do.
They should ask their legal department about the scenario of a future widow with a half decent ambulance chaser that’s gonna figure this out.
thank you!
Your name came up today actually as we did another comparison aka musical chair with some awesome cars in your neck of the woods and you may want to share that, as you can like nobody else.
I was just a guest but you know all the brains behind the madness.
I see your points and fully agree. BUT.. If Porsche would care who lives or dies in GT cars, then it would be an easy solution to let someone sell all the Clubsport stuff in a box for offroad use only.
Worst case scenario to mega distance themselves, they could turn a blind eye to have someone sell “knock offs”.
Others care and can and do.
They should ask their legal department about the scenario of a future widow with a half decent ambulance chaser that’s gonna figure this out.
06-07-2018, 08:04 AM
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What's that single black line on the asphalt? Like tyre mark, which is addd with a scraping line just before dirt. Puncture? Mark from braking and wheel contacting asphalt while car starts to roll to left?
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Pete
Power. Lots is good, more is better, too much is just right...
'87 951, RIP
'00 996 C2 L92U AQ / IXAA IXRB IX54 M96/7.xx G96/7.88 M030 M375 M376 M436 M476 M601 M983 ... + 991 GT3 brakes, 997 GT3 sway bars, fully monoball'd suspension, Bilstein Cup Car coilovers, do88 Big Pack ICs. 10 & 12 x 19" BBS CH-R wheels with 265/30 & 325 /30 -19 MPSC2s.
06-07-2018, 07:29 PM
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06-07-2018, 09:39 PM
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Indeed.
At at least weld in the bloody mounting plates so that we can do a proper installation on our own. Seriously, it ain’t that hard. Not like having mounting plates under the carpet is going to lead to an explosion in lawsuits. Their marketing strategy alone poses a far greater risk...
