Would you get new GT3 without PCCB?
05-21-2018, 12:53 PM
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I wash my car at least once a week and if needed sooner. Brake dust not an issue. Porsche steel brakes are fabulous. Seems financially silly to pay over $10,000 (the MSRP of the car includes steel brakes so that cost has to be factored in) for the color yellow.
As Trackman posted, you can have the calipers painted.
As Trackman posted, you can have the calipers painted.
05-21-2018, 12:57 PM
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PCCB Cons:
- Expensive if tracking hard (due to replacement costs)
PCCB Pros:
- Weighs less
- Less dust
- Looks better (to most people I think)
- Holds up well on occasional track days for average drivers / consistent braking
- Looks cool
Since used GT3s often retain a percentage of their value when selling, the real 'cost' is not necessarily $9200 but more like $2000.
- Expensive if tracking hard (due to replacement costs)
PCCB Pros:
- Weighs less
- Less dust
- Looks better (to most people I think)
- Holds up well on occasional track days for average drivers / consistent braking
- Looks cool
Since used GT3s often retain a percentage of their value when selling, the real 'cost' is not necessarily $9200 but more like $2000.
05-21-2018, 01:36 PM
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05-21-2018, 01:38 PM
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05-21-2018, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sautan
No. CCB just mean carbon ceramic brake. I am new to the motorsport so definitely not sure what is PSCB
05-21-2018, 02:46 PM
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Without going into possible performance differences, I think if one were to option the std iron rotors and then swapped in the Surface Transform CCB setup, I’m not sure you’re saving any money initially versus just optioning the PCCBs to begin with.
Of course the obvious riposte you get to refinish and reuse the Surface Transform CCB rotors thus saving money in the long run. Perhaps.
The caveat is I am not entirely sold on the refinishing process the Surface Transform rotors go through. That said, from what I understand they are now OEM for the new Aston Martins. So who knows.
05-21-2018, 02:54 PM
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Ordered mine this way too - couldn't be less interested PCCB for a multitude of reasons, nor would I consider buying a pre-owned car with them if I could avoid doing so.
05-21-2018, 03:35 PM
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Without going into possible performance differences, I think if one were to option the std iron rotors and then swapped in the Surface Transform CCB setup, I’m not sure you’re saving any money initially versus just optioning the PCCBs to begin with.
Of course the obvious riposte you get to refinish and reuse the Surface Transform CCB rotors thus saving money in the long run. Perhaps.
The caveat is I am not entirely sold on the refinishing process the Surface Transform rotors go through. That said, from what I understand they are now OEM for the new Aston Martins. So who knows.
ST refurb 5x is TBD, I'm not there yet but should only be a few weekends away of doing the first one.
My thoughts on PCCB or no PCCB would be; If I got a car with PCCB, I pay $9200, sell the rotors for about that money, maybe more?
The new replacement PCCB rotors are about $25K, so maybe they bring $13K in order to buy the ST rotors and you get yellow calipers.
If they bring more straight off the car, then why not?
Curious what they go for now straight off the car. The last time I sold new ones, I got $10K on my 997RS.
If you want to sell the car eventually with new PCCB rotors, then keep them on the shelve but I wouldn't care about that personally.
Only for street use, this all doesn't matter, the PCCB will last forever.
I do actually like the steel brake feel a little better because its too hard to get the rotors up to ideal temp.
But maybe the suspension and steering feel is just that little bit nicer with PCCB..
05-21-2018, 03:59 PM
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Great list, I'll add to it
PCCB Cons:
- Expensive if tracking hard (due to replacement costs)
- Caliper to Barrel distance is very tight
- Only comes in Yellow
PCCB Pros:
- Weighs less
- Less dust
- Looks better (to most people I think)
- Holds up well on occasional track days for average drivers / consistent braking
- Looks cool
Since used GT3s often retain a percentage of their value when selling, the real 'cost' is not necessarily $9200 but more like $2000.
- Expensive if tracking hard (due to replacement costs)
- Caliper to Barrel distance is very tight
- Only comes in Yellow
PCCB Pros:
- Weighs less
- Less dust
- Looks better (to most people I think)
- Holds up well on occasional track days for average drivers / consistent braking
- Looks cool
Since used GT3s often retain a percentage of their value when selling, the real 'cost' is not necessarily $9200 but more like $2000.
05-21-2018, 04:32 PM
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I went with reds on all 4 of my Porsches - they stop just fine and fade is not bad at all. The ceramics I have had squeak too much for me despite reseating, cleaning, anti-squeak spray, etc...Personal choice as you may get a set of ceramics that don't squeak, but more likely than reds in my experience.......first thing two dealer salespeople said to me was that ceramics squeak, so they must have heard from customers to make such a big point of it.......some people love the squeaks and that is great for them.........
05-21-2018, 04:49 PM
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PCCBs are way more precise when applying brake pedal pressure
you can calibrate perfectly your brake intention
not bad on a very high speed car
you can calibrate perfectly your brake intention
not bad on a very high speed car
05-21-2018, 05:01 PM
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A lot of people like the brake pedal feel / modulation better with the irons.
Irons can be upgraded to CCB at any time if needed.
Buying a used car with CCB is a bad idea since it’s not easy to know when they will need to be replaced.
I had CCB on my GT3 — they looked cool but no advantage in braking performance. Ordered new RS with irons.
Basically CCBs are like bling for your car. If you care about the look and impressing people at cars and coffee, then go for it. Purely from a rational perspective, they don’t make sense.
Irons can be upgraded to CCB at any time if needed.
Buying a used car with CCB is a bad idea since it’s not easy to know when they will need to be replaced.
I had CCB on my GT3 — they looked cool but no advantage in braking performance. Ordered new RS with irons.
Basically CCBs are like bling for your car. If you care about the look and impressing people at cars and coffee, then go for it. Purely from a rational perspective, they don’t make sense.