992 GT3 Speculation
07-10-2018, 01:12 AM
#61
I second that, when my 3RS arrives in the coming months I plan to put her on diet. I will be ordering 19" magnesium wheels (45 lbs), AP Racing Brake kit (15 lbs), Surface Transfer Rotors (20lbs), lithium battery (45lbs), Akro Titanium Race Exhaust (45 lbs). I am hoping this really takes 170 lbs off the car. People have been posting measured weights so should be achievable. Should really improve the quickness and feel of the car.
07-10-2018, 01:42 AM
#62
I second that, when my 3RS arrives in the coming months I plan to put her on diet. I will be ordering 19" magnesium wheels (45 lbs), AP Racing Brake kit (15 lbs), Surface Transfer Rotors (20lbs), lithium battery (45lbs), Akro Titanium Race Exhaust (45 lbs). I am hoping this really takes 170 lbs off the car. People have been posting measured weights so should be achievable. Should really improve the quickness and feel of the car.
07-10-2018, 01:09 PM
#64
Rennlist Member
If they make the 992 GT3 multiple years, then keeping the GT3 991.2 might mean better value retention? LOL.......Not sure....lots of speculation that could go all over the place..........NA, no NA, turbos, no more manual, manual, turbo/hybrid, NA/hybrid, etc....who really knows
) Porsche is a marketing genius company.........profits galore with that brand..........dealers are loving it as they have stories to tell to sell more................this all said I still prefer and am loyal to this brand versus others for the value aspect, durability and performance.........
) Porsche is a marketing genius company.........profits galore with that brand..........dealers are loving it as they have stories to tell to sell more................this all said I still prefer and am loyal to this brand versus others for the value aspect, durability and performance.........
07-10-2018, 01:28 PM
#65
What’s the consensus for NA ? Seems it was a definite no a while back, then a yes. I presume the speculators are grappling with snippets and sound bites and Perhaps it’s undecided ?
Be great if the 992 GT3 is lighter and if it can keep with the emissions and come in over 500hp, what’s not to like. I suspect higher revs might be possible but this will be hard for a road car. Perhaps 9,250 !?
Given the options for R,GT3 and RS, plus touring I hope and expect they get the positioning right. I thought the answer previously was
GT3 RS ultimate road legal track version
GT3 track ready ultimate road version a mix ?
R ultimate road drivers special
Touring is a GT3 more for the road but not as special as the R
I think they will have Weissach packs or similar as they have gone down well. But the variants are running the risk of confusion if they don’t set them in the right place, especially if you add club sport to the options
Be great if the 992 GT3 is lighter and if it can keep with the emissions and come in over 500hp, what’s not to like. I suspect higher revs might be possible but this will be hard for a road car. Perhaps 9,250 !?
Given the options for R,GT3 and RS, plus touring I hope and expect they get the positioning right. I thought the answer previously was
GT3 RS ultimate road legal track version
GT3 track ready ultimate road version a mix ?
R ultimate road drivers special
Touring is a GT3 more for the road but not as special as the R
I think they will have Weissach packs or similar as they have gone down well. But the variants are running the risk of confusion if they don’t set them in the right place, especially if you add club sport to the options
07-10-2018, 01:36 PM
#66
Here’s a thought
GT3 - positioned as today can be had in touring
RS - drop the GT3 part and differentiate more. The GT3 RS has a different engine, wheels arches, roof bonnet, wings. It’s quite different really, when the GT3 was first introduced I recall it being more road than previous RS’s
RSR - A step up from the RS even more stripped out and track ready (remember the 964 RS Clubsport N spec)
R - the best road variant and drivers car, lets add some unique features here, that set it apart even more
GT3 - positioned as today can be had in touring
RS - drop the GT3 part and differentiate more. The GT3 RS has a different engine, wheels arches, roof bonnet, wings. It’s quite different really, when the GT3 was first introduced I recall it being more road than previous RS’s
RSR - A step up from the RS even more stripped out and track ready (remember the 964 RS Clubsport N spec)
R - the best road variant and drivers car, lets add some unique features here, that set it apart even more
07-10-2018, 03:24 PM
#67
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Last edited by RacingBrake; 07-19-2018 at 03:51 PM.
07-10-2018, 03:27 PM
#68
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If the 992 uses turbocharging and/or electric propulsion assistance then weight will likely increase.
07-10-2018, 03:51 PM
#69
Originally Posted by GrantG
If the 992 uses turbocharging and/or electric propulsion assistance then weight will likely increase.
Time will tell.
07-10-2018, 04:52 PM
#70
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3-5 years ago the weight penalty for a hybrid versus a pure ICE was probably 500 pounds, maybe more.
Now, if you look at the Lexus LC 500, the weight difference between the hybrid and its V8 cousin is only 150 pounds.
In another 2-3 years when the 992 GT3/RS bows, the weight difference maybe even smaller, if not negligible.
If Porsche made it a NA hybrid drivetrain without a full electric mode, they probably could easily keep it under 3300, and still make it price competitive (ie without the use of a carbon monocoque).
07-18-2018, 11:46 PM
#71
same to me bud, this is my 4th gt3 since 2014, had 1 2014, 1 RS LO 2016, sold it and got another 2016 RS in Gt silver, and then got my DREAM Gt3 manual 2018 my keeper and its the year my son was born so pretty excited to keep it, and i cant believe the step up in the Engine it is unbelievable, night and day with the .1 Engines, i really cant believe the step up even from the 4.0 found in my RS’s. I don’t know how you feel about that, and the handling on the .2 the steering is amazing, it feels more alive as before... always a pleasure to read your comments Jimmy...
07-19-2018, 09:26 AM
#72
Background, I have had holding deposits down on the 982 GT4 and 992 GT3 for a number of years - in terms of engines and transmissions I'm agnostic e.g. I like both NA and turbo plus PDK and manual - horses for courses as it were. Please note I have a strong competition back ground (multiple accreditation), own a variety of sports cars and several Porsches including a current Series GTS.
So heres the rub, I have been closely following various tuning developments with an eye to a specialised sprint/ targa car - recently Cobb have released a series of tunes, as a general rule I'm fairly cynical about tuners - often large claimed gains off the back of highly inflated base lines. However in this case, its worth pondering this - BGB motorsports recently purchased a Series II GTS with a view to development.
The baseline dyno run yielded a very conservative 355-358RWHP (MAHA 370RWHP) and with a Cobb Stage 1 tune, on the same dyno, it ran 456-475RWHP (536HP-555HP at the crank) in the heat with OEM turbos, headers, exhaust, airbox and intercoolers. This is a very impressive result no ands ifs or buts.
Given my current PDK/SPASM/RAS/PDCC equipped GTS weighs in at around 3340lbs (official track weigh in with half tank of fuel) is there any point speculating about the 992 GT3. As I see it, adding the tune to my current GTS provides an interesting possibility for conversion to permanent track duty if the only weak points for short burst events (non endurance) are brakes and aero (and before anyone mentions it, yes I can drive the car to the limit of its tires, yes I do invest in continuous driver training of different types and in this instance I'm no longer bothered about the warranty etc etc
)
The question is, and given the above - is the GT3 played out, are there likely to be any significant improvements made to the engine and realistically where are the performance gains going to come from? (keep in mind at no point does the current GT3 and the speculated GT3 make more power/torque than the tuned GTS - even a cursory view shows the under the curve difference is very significant).
Curious as to peoples thoughts given the speculative nature of the thread . Have we arrived at a pivot point . Has Porsche chucked in the towel under the weight of emissions related legislation Is the current GT3 in effect the last hurrah before the full on drive to the dissembling performance of EVs.
So heres the rub, I have been closely following various tuning developments with an eye to a specialised sprint/ targa car - recently Cobb have released a series of tunes, as a general rule I'm fairly cynical about tuners - often large claimed gains off the back of highly inflated base lines. However in this case, its worth pondering this - BGB motorsports recently purchased a Series II GTS with a view to development.
The baseline dyno run yielded a very conservative 355-358RWHP (MAHA 370RWHP) and with a Cobb Stage 1 tune, on the same dyno, it ran 456-475RWHP (536HP-555HP at the crank) in the heat with OEM turbos, headers, exhaust, airbox and intercoolers. This is a very impressive result no ands ifs or buts.
Given my current PDK/SPASM/RAS/PDCC equipped GTS weighs in at around 3340lbs (official track weigh in with half tank of fuel) is there any point speculating about the 992 GT3. As I see it, adding the tune to my current GTS provides an interesting possibility for conversion to permanent track duty if the only weak points for short burst events (non endurance) are brakes and aero (and before anyone mentions it, yes I can drive the car to the limit of its tires, yes I do invest in continuous driver training of different types and in this instance I'm no longer bothered about the warranty etc etc
)The question is, and given the above - is the GT3 played out, are there likely to be any significant improvements made to the engine and realistically where are the performance gains going to come from? (keep in mind at no point does the current GT3 and the speculated GT3 make more power/torque than the tuned GTS - even a cursory view shows the under the curve difference is very significant).
Curious as to peoples thoughts given the speculative nature of the thread
. Have we arrived at a pivot point . Has Porsche chucked in the towel under the weight of emissions related legislation Is the current GT3 in effect the last hurrah before the full on drive to the dissembling performance of EVs.
Last edited by groundhog; 07-19-2018 at 09:46 AM.
07-19-2018, 12:30 PM
#73
Drifting
Thread Starter
Background, I have had holding deposits down on the 982 GT4 and 992 GT3 for a number of years - in terms of engines and transmissions I'm agnostic e.g. I like both NA and turbo plus PDK and manual - horses for courses as it were. Please note I have a strong competition back ground (multiple accreditation), own a variety of sports cars and several Porsches including a current Series GTS.
So heres the rub, I have been closely following various tuning developments with an eye to a specialised sprint/ targa car - recently Cobb have released a series of tunes, as a general rule I'm fairly cynical about tuners - often large claimed gains off the back of highly inflated base lines. However in this case, its worth pondering this - BGB motorsports recently purchased a Series II GTS with a view to development.
The baseline dyno run yielded a very conservative 355-358RWHP (MAHA 370RWHP) and with a Cobb Stage 1 tune, on the same dyno, it ran 456-475RWHP (536HP-555HP at the crank) in the heat with OEM turbos, headers, exhaust, airbox and intercoolers. This is a very impressive result no ands ifs or buts.
Given my current PDK/SPASM/RAS/PDCC equipped GTS weighs in at around 3340lbs (official track weigh in with half tank of fuel) is there any point speculating about the 992 GT3. As I see it, adding the tune to my current GTS provides an interesting possibility for conversion to permanent track duty if the only weak points for short burst events (non endurance) are brakes and aero (and before anyone mentions it, yes I can drive the car to the limit of its tires, yes I do invest in continuous driver training of different types and in this instance I'm no longer bothered about the warranty etc etc)
The question is, and given the above - is the GT3 played out, are there likely to be any significant improvements made to the engine and realistically where are the performance gains going to come from? (keep in mind at no point does the current GT3 and the speculated GT3 make more power/torque than the tuned GTS - even a cursory view shows the under the curve difference is very significant).
Curious as to peoples thoughts given the speculative nature of the thread . Have we arrived at a pivot point . Has Porsche chucked in the towel under the weight of emissions related legislation Is the current GT3 in effect the last hurrah before the full on drive to the dissembling performance of EVs.
So heres the rub, I have been closely following various tuning developments with an eye to a specialised sprint/ targa car - recently Cobb have released a series of tunes, as a general rule I'm fairly cynical about tuners - often large claimed gains off the back of highly inflated base lines. However in this case, its worth pondering this - BGB motorsports recently purchased a Series II GTS with a view to development.
The baseline dyno run yielded a very conservative 355-358RWHP (MAHA 370RWHP) and with a Cobb Stage 1 tune, on the same dyno, it ran 456-475RWHP (536HP-555HP at the crank) in the heat with OEM turbos, headers, exhaust, airbox and intercoolers. This is a very impressive result no ands ifs or buts.
Given my current PDK/SPASM/RAS/PDCC equipped GTS weighs in at around 3340lbs (official track weigh in with half tank of fuel) is there any point speculating about the 992 GT3. As I see it, adding the tune to my current GTS provides an interesting possibility for conversion to permanent track duty if the only weak points for short burst events (non endurance) are brakes and aero (and before anyone mentions it, yes I can drive the car to the limit of its tires, yes I do invest in continuous driver training of different types and in this instance I'm no longer bothered about the warranty etc etc
)The question is, and given the above - is the GT3 played out, are there likely to be any significant improvements made to the engine and realistically where are the performance gains going to come from? (keep in mind at no point does the current GT3 and the speculated GT3 make more power/torque than the tuned GTS - even a cursory view shows the under the curve difference is very significant).
Curious as to peoples thoughts given the speculative nature of the thread
. Have we arrived at a pivot point . Has Porsche chucked in the towel under the weight of emissions related legislation Is the current GT3 in effect the last hurrah before the full on drive to the dissembling performance of EVs.The GT3 has essentially no competition in its market niche provided it remains NA and offers a clutch pedal option...
07-19-2018, 01:28 PM
#74
Race Director
The GT3 has essentially no competition in its market niche provided it remains NA and offers a clutch pedal option...[/QUOTE]
So true.
I think the new mid-engine Corvette will be interesting but i do understand it is Super-charged
So true.
I think the new mid-engine Corvette will be interesting but i do understand it is Super-charged
07-19-2018, 02:34 PM
#75
I tend to find your posts quite abrasive. In this instance I agree 100%.