View Poll Results: Should I Trade GT3rs (2k miles)+$40k for New Touring?
Yes
34
26.77%
No
93
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Should I trade my GT3RS in for GT3 touring?
05-18-2018, 08:00 PM
#31
Rennlist Member
Did your deal also require you to bend over and grab your ankles? The deal is ridiculous.
Although by no means scientific, driving around in southern CA I see more regular 911's driving with their spoiler up and extended. Either there has been an inordinate amount of spoiler failures or Porsche owners are finally realizing that the wing/spoiler adds to the aura of the car. Its part of what makes the car special.
Although by no means scientific, driving around in southern CA I see more regular 911's driving with their spoiler up and extended. Either there has been an inordinate amount of spoiler failures or Porsche owners are finally realizing that the wing/spoiler adds to the aura of the car. Its part of what makes the car special.
05-19-2018, 11:50 AM
#33
Thanks guys, thats what I figured.. I wouldn't say Id be getting "screwed" in this deal but it certainly isn't good. I just was not familiar at all with what the tourings are going for. All I saw was 1 on eBay asking 40k over so I figured that was about the market for them. Also, I don't see the GT3RS's going much lower than sticker any time in the near future. I think they will come back up especially low miles like mine. Definitely not doing this deal, but frigggin LOVE the touring!
You are getting screwed. I have an RS and have a Touring incoming and no way I would trade in my RS for the deal you are being offered.
05-19-2018, 12:05 PM
#34
Three Wheelin'
I would not take that deal. They are ripping you off. I think msrp for the touring and trading the RS in for $200k is a good deal. RS values have dropped a lot. You initially overpaid for the RS, so expect to take a hit. I like the manual in the .2 and would own a .2 touring over a .1 RS.
05-19-2018, 12:11 PM
#35
Lets put the "RS values have dropped" in perspective.
Dont know of too many cars 3 years after launch that you can still sell for MSRP or close to MSRP. "Mass produced" cars at that.
Now if someone paid way over sticker- yeah, values have dropped. But realistically the RS is holding strong - if any of that actually matters. Drive the damn things and let the next guy worry about depreciation.
Dont know of too many cars 3 years after launch that you can still sell for MSRP or close to MSRP. "Mass produced" cars at that.
Now if someone paid way over sticker- yeah, values have dropped. But realistically the RS is holding strong - if any of that actually matters. Drive the damn things and let the next guy worry about depreciation.
05-19-2018, 07:27 PM
#36
Rennlist Member
Not, sure what the market is for a Touring but here is my take, like it or not:
Touring cars will never be plentiful, most buyers don't "get it" and thus only a small minority of all 991.2 GT3's will ever be Tourings. My guess is double the number of R's when all said and done, maybe less.
The 991.1 RS was overbuilt and the car will continue to depreciate as the new RS rolls out. Both versions will be plentiful but the .1 version will lose more value over the next few years - it's nowhere near the bottom.
The motor issue of all 991.1's will negatively impact their desirability compared to any .2 moving forward. The new 4.0 motor is a huge step up, including over the motor of the .1 RS.
All dealers need a small margin on each car, say 10%. I think you can close the gap a little bit on this particular deal but not much.
Just My 2 cents, and probably worth less.....
Best.
Touring cars will never be plentiful, most buyers don't "get it" and thus only a small minority of all 991.2 GT3's will ever be Tourings. My guess is double the number of R's when all said and done, maybe less.
The 991.1 RS was overbuilt and the car will continue to depreciate as the new RS rolls out. Both versions will be plentiful but the .1 version will lose more value over the next few years - it's nowhere near the bottom.
The motor issue of all 991.1's will negatively impact their desirability compared to any .2 moving forward. The new 4.0 motor is a huge step up, including over the motor of the .1 RS.
All dealers need a small margin on each car, say 10%. I think you can close the gap a little bit on this particular deal but not much.
Just My 2 cents, and probably worth less.....
Best.
05-19-2018, 07:31 PM
#37
Rennlist Member
Can't speak to the deal, future values, production numbers, yada yada yada. Those are financial decisions, and only you can weigh that out.
But, based on your original post, which gets to enjoyment...were I in your shoes, I'd move from 991.1 RS to 991.2 Touring yesterday. (If I was tracking the car a lot, I'd keep the .1 RS every time—but, for road work, I think the .2 GT3 is more fun and engaging—especially if you like rowing your own.)
But, based on your original post, which gets to enjoyment...were I in your shoes, I'd move from 991.1 RS to 991.2 Touring yesterday. (If I was tracking the car a lot, I'd keep the .1 RS every time—but, for road work, I think the .2 GT3 is more fun and engaging—especially if you like rowing your own.)
05-19-2018, 07:36 PM
#38
Rennlist Member
If not tracking, don’t like the bold look of the RS, and want a manual, then go for it. But, just as noted in the above post, you should at least break even doing the transaction.
05-19-2018, 08:14 PM
#39
It’s clear from the OP’s 1st post he would prefer Touring with sofas and a manual to RS with buckets and PDK. Only issue is how to get from A to B. And consensus is clear: the deal you were offered stinks.
When I traded my ‘14 991.1 GT3 to a dealer, they sold it quick for $13K over what they paid me for it (I know because the buyer called me after to talk about the car). Seems reasonable. I probably could have sold it for $6-7K more in a private than they paid me for it, but it would have been a wash with the sale tax I saved from trading it toward new Touring I have on order from them, so between that, time and hassle saved, and the solid my dealer is doing by selling me a new Touring at MSRP, which has been on order forever (now August delivery though), I did the trade.
I think a dealer deserves to make a reasonable profit on buying and selling used high line cars. Maybe about 10%. So if a used RS is selling for around $200K, maybe they give you $180K or a little better for it on trade-in. Depending on your state, you may save 6-10% of the trade in value on sales tax savings on the new car bought, which makes up much of that difference.
But combining that profit margin with a $30K+ ADM for a non-PTS non-configurable Touring that they already have in stock (either they ordered it spec or more likely someone cancelled) seems like a bridge too far.
Put simply, if you want a Touring, find a dealer who will sell you one closer to MSRP and/or who will order you one that you can spec. Any dealer who can sell you the new Touring will be happy to take your RS on trade.
When I traded my ‘14 991.1 GT3 to a dealer, they sold it quick for $13K over what they paid me for it (I know because the buyer called me after to talk about the car). Seems reasonable. I probably could have sold it for $6-7K more in a private than they paid me for it, but it would have been a wash with the sale tax I saved from trading it toward new Touring I have on order from them, so between that, time and hassle saved, and the solid my dealer is doing by selling me a new Touring at MSRP, which has been on order forever (now August delivery though), I did the trade.
I think a dealer deserves to make a reasonable profit on buying and selling used high line cars. Maybe about 10%. So if a used RS is selling for around $200K, maybe they give you $180K or a little better for it on trade-in. Depending on your state, you may save 6-10% of the trade in value on sales tax savings on the new car bought, which makes up much of that difference.
But combining that profit margin with a $30K+ ADM for a non-PTS non-configurable Touring that they already have in stock (either they ordered it spec or more likely someone cancelled) seems like a bridge too far.
Put simply, if you want a Touring, find a dealer who will sell you one closer to MSRP and/or who will order you one that you can spec. Any dealer who can sell you the new Touring will be happy to take your RS on trade.
05-19-2018, 09:13 PM
#40
You're not going to break even with a dealer. The RS would probably sell retail for 200k at the dealer so there's no way you're going to get offered 200k for it.
The Touring seems to be going for about 25k over so 200k. Basically, you're asking the dealer to take your car for the chance to break even on it in order to sell their Touring at the market rate.
If you want to be at the break even mark then you're gonna have to start looking for a 15k over deal and sell your RS privately.
The Touring seems to be going for about 25k over so 200k. Basically, you're asking the dealer to take your car for the chance to break even on it in order to sell their Touring at the market rate.
If you want to be at the break even mark then you're gonna have to start looking for a 15k over deal and sell your RS privately.
05-19-2018, 10:05 PM
#41
I just had my GT3T delivered to me last Thursday and I will be bias for a GT3T BUT I will stick to your RS because of the total deal. It is a win-win for your dealer. But it looks like you already made up your mind and it will be your decision at the end.
05-20-2018, 12:50 AM
#42
Rennlist Member