New OEM Sized 20" Hoosiers for GT3 (WARNING PIC HEAVY)
05-15-2018, 03:15 PM
#31
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This is simply inaccurate information:
05-15-2018, 03:20 PM
#32
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My understanding was that all DOT tires are street-legal by definition (buy only when brand new and not shaved). They may soon lose their minimum required tread depth with use or modification though...
05-15-2018, 03:22 PM
#33
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Right next to the DOT information on the sidewall of the R7, I'll bet you a dollar it says 'FOR COMPETITION USE ONLY'.
Alternatively, go look for the R7 on NHTSA's website under passenger car tire information.
Alternatively, go look for the R7 on NHTSA's website under passenger car tire information.
05-16-2018, 11:42 AM
#34
It’s not recommened for street use in part because it as a 0 treadwear rating- it’s molded at the legal minimum tread depth. This means that after only a few miles it’s below the legal wear limit and you could get a ticket for bald tires. However there’s a big difference between not recommended (DOT Hoosiers) and not legal (true racing slicks). It’s R7 is a street tire, races in classes where race slicks are banned, etc.
As a practical matter the question has been asked before: has anyone ever had a warranty claim denied due to the use of Hoosiers? The answer I’ve heard in “no”, though I’m all ears.
05-16-2018, 04:09 PM
#35
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It absolutely is a street legal tire. It is DOT approved for street use, as opposed to the true slicks Hoosiers will also sell you that are not.
It’s not recommened for street use in part because it as a 0 treadwear rating- it’s molded at the legal minimum tread depth. This means that after only a few miles it’s below the legal wear limit and you could get a ticket for bald tires. However there’s a big difference between not recommended (DOT Hoosiers) and not legal (true racing slicks). It’s R7 is a street tire, races in classes where race slicks are banned, etc.
As a practical matter the question has been asked before: has anyone ever had a warranty claim denied due to the use of Hoosiers? The answer I’ve heard in “no”, though I’m all ears.
It’s not recommened for street use in part because it as a 0 treadwear rating- it’s molded at the legal minimum tread depth. This means that after only a few miles it’s below the legal wear limit and you could get a ticket for bald tires. However there’s a big difference between not recommended (DOT Hoosiers) and not legal (true racing slicks). It’s R7 is a street tire, races in classes where race slicks are banned, etc.
As a practical matter the question has been asked before: has anyone ever had a warranty claim denied due to the use of Hoosiers? The answer I’ve heard in “no”, though I’m all ears.
All Hoosier Racing Tires including DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires are designed for competition purposes only on specified racing surfaces and are not to be operated on public roadways.
https://trackdaytire.com/wp-content/...re_And_Use.pdf
It is irresponsible for you and Dave to imply the R7 is in any way designed for street use.
05-16-2018, 04:30 PM
#36
Alan, please explain your understanding of why Hoosier makes 2 types of dry weather race tires. One has groves to meet minimum tread depth requirements for DOT legality. The other which is othen available in the same dimensions does not. Why does Hoosier add those groves, which clearly hurt performance and wear?
05-16-2018, 04:46 PM
#37
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I expect it is to make them legal for racing classes that specify tires "meet Department Of Transportation requirements for marking and performance".
05-16-2018, 05:05 PM
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05-16-2018, 05:24 PM
#39
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Not if the manufacturer clearly states it is not to be used on the street under any circumstances.
05-16-2018, 05:39 PM
#40
It’s completely understood that you’re running a big risk using it on the street. It will no longer be street legal after a few miles. Hoosier tells you clearly not to do it, both so they don’t get sued and so you don’t kill yourself. However none of that changes the facts: it is a DOT approved, street legal tire in the eyes of the law and the lawyers. That’s all that matters from a warranty point of view.
05-16-2018, 06:10 PM
#41
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I guarantee you if R7s are on a car at-fault in a serious accident on the street "the eyes of the law and the lawyers" will see it differently than you do.
05-16-2018, 06:24 PM
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Side-stepping the serious accident hypothetical above, let's turn to a more innocuous one. Let's say a cop pulls you over (no accident) - could you be ticketed and rightly convicted for driving on illegal tires with fresh R7's? I don't think so...
05-16-2018, 08:30 PM
#43
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Big letters in the sidewall state 'FOR COMPETITION USE ONLY'. It will be hard to talk your way out of that. "Because Petevb on Rennlist said so" isn't a great defense.
05-16-2018, 11:35 PM
#44
A Tide Pod includes clear warnings that it’s for external use only, not to be ingested. But if you’re dumb enough to eat one you’re an idiot, not a felon. Unless you can point to law being violated?
Last edited by Petevb; 05-16-2018 at 11:55 PM.
05-17-2018, 12:00 AM
#45
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Same response/answer when it comes to an accident and whether one was running DOT approved tires. The question again would be, do the tires have the minimum tread wear? They are clearly approved for the street with their DOT rating. While you might be negligent in running tires that are to slick for the street, but you havent violated any law or standard of care by simply running a DOT approved tire in and of itself..
I'm afraid you're the one spreading misinformation. I plan to run the Hoosiers on the road (but only to and fro the gas station from track).