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Old 04-26-2018, 01:38 PM
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Question .2 GT3 vs .2 GT3 RS motor

Not sure if this was discussed, but does anyone know the differences between .2 GT3 and .2 GT3 RS motor?
Both are 4.0 and RS makes 20hp more, but are there any internal differences. or is it all in the tune, intake, exhaust configuration?
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So far, there have been no claims of any internal differences from Porsche.
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The original article mentioned that Porsche would not say what the differences are. Speculation by the article is that the GT3 already produces more than 500 hp. This seems to have been supported by a recent post here of a dyno result of a GT3 vs a Z06 on the same dyno with the GT3 estimated at way over 500 at the crank.
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Porsche has not said what the differences are yet. However, there is a much greater likelihood there are zero changes than there are any internal changes.

I’m guessing some sort of induction or exhaust changes.
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Originally Posted by Quikag
I’m guessing some sort of induction or exhaust changes.
Sure, there could be some small difference due to this, but I am guessing that the electronics are making most of the difference (Porsche likes to tailor the amount and shape of the power/torque to fit in a tightly defined space between its others models). If GT3 is making well over 500hp, then RS is also making well over 500hp and then 20hp (and 6 ft-lbs) more. There will always be at least the advertised additional power.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Sure, there could be some small difference due to this, but I am guessing that the electronics are making most of the difference (Porsche likes to tailor the amount and shape of the power/torque to fit in a tightly defined space between its others models). If GT3 is making well over 500hp, then RS is also making well over 500hp and then 20hp (and 6 ft-lbs) more. There will always be at least the advertised additional power.
Agreed. I forgot to include electronic tweaks to the small menu of changes to get 20hp. I do believe Porsche will get the 20hp extra, but it’s not going to take much as the “regular” GT3 is so strong already.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Sure, there could be some small difference due to this, but I am guessing that the electronics are making most of the difference (Porsche likes to tailor the amount and shape of the power/torque to fit in a tightly defined space between its others models). If GT3 is making well over 500hp, then RS is also making well over 500hp and then 20hp (and 6 ft-lbs) more. There will always be at least the advertised additional power.
It would be interesting to see if we can update our .2 to the RS spec somehow -- updating a tune. etc.
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electronics and ti exhaust system
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Does anyone have the torque curve for the RS that Porsche usually puts out? Here is the one for the GT3 -



Also does anyone know if the RS uses single mass flywheel vs dual mass for the GT3 (as the case was for 7.2 GT3 vs 7.2 RS)?
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This video with AP touches on it briefly. Skip to the 5:20 second mark. Intake, exhaust and "motor engine management system" which I'm interpreting as the ECU tune.
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Originally Posted by sunnyr
Does anyone have the torque curve for the RS that Porsche usually puts out? Here is the one for the GT3 -



Also does anyone know if the RS uses single mass flywheel vs dual mass for the GT3 (as the case was for 7.2 GT3 vs 7.2 RS)?
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Originally Posted by sunnyr
Also does anyone know if the RS uses single mass flywheel vs dual mass for the GT3 (as the case was for 7.2 GT3 vs 7.2 RS)?
Since it's PDK-only, this doesn't really apply like the 997 cars (all manual).
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Originally Posted by Dante
This Power curve for the RS doesn't really match the advertised Peak Power RPM (which is supposed to be higher in rpm than the GT3).

EDIT: Now Porsche.com shows peak power of the RS to be 520hp at 8,250 rpm, but I could have sworn early reports said at 8,450 rpm...
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My guess,
Intake = BMC Filters
Exhaust = Titanium muffler
Tuning = More aggressive ecu mapping

But frankly, and this somewhat contradicts my theory, if their were no changes, it wouldn't make sense for the RS motor to be different on the assembly line, and I personally witnessed the .2 RS motor was labeled separately from the .2 GT3 motor.

Best Regards,
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Originally Posted by SCCAForums
My guess,
Intake = BMC Filters
Exhaust = Titanium muffler
Tuning = More aggressive ecu mapping

But frankly, and this somewhat contradicts my theory, if their were no changes, it wouldn't make sense for the RS motor to be different on the assembly line, and I personally witnessed the .2 RS motor was labeled separately from the .2 GT3 motor.

Best Regards,
Dave
Is the exhaust part of the engine? If so, that could explain a unique number. Or maybe the intake that connects to the two side intakes is somehow different? I don't think a unique engine number would necessarily mean unique internals, unless the motor comes without intake and exhaust attached. Does the ECU comes attached to the motor? This could also help explain...


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