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Old 04-11-2018, 12:13 PM
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^What you need is what I just ordered, the new G63. I am number 4 on the list - going to be epic. As my Russian salesman said: Drive in G550 after drive in G63. G550 feel like piece of $hit".

First major redesign of the G.....EVER
Old 04-11-2018, 12:17 PM
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The Ferrari V12, GT cars have always had massive depreciation rates.
Some call it "The Curse of the V12" because when it is time to sell the cars just sit until the price drops further.

One more thing that many people mistake is Ferrari's little "trick" to keep service costs in house. Many people transpose these two but to be clear Ferrari offers you
- 7 years Free Maintenance (mostly fluid changes + inspections)
- 3 years warranty

Conclusion - After teh warranty expires ( year 4 onward), then The Service dept has the last 4 years of the Free Maintenance to "find" problems that need to be serviced
Old 04-11-2018, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Perimeter
The Ferrari V12, GT cars have always had massive depreciation rates.
Some call it "The Curse of the V12" because when it is time to sell the cars just sit until the price drops further.

One more thing that many people mistake is Ferrari's little "trick" to keep service costs in house. Many people transpose these two but to be clear Ferrari offers you
- 7 years Free Maintenance (mostly fluid changes + inspections)
- 3 years warranty

Conclusion - After teh warranty expires ( year 4 onward), then The Service dept has the last 4 years of the Free Maintenance to "find" problems that need to be serviced
You can always extend the warranty and certify older Ferrari's. I recently picked up a 430 and the dealer certified it and I got a warranty. The newer Ferrari's don't have as many issues as the older ones...
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Originally Posted by Catorce
^What you need is what I just ordered, the new G63. I am number 4 on the list - going to be epic. As my Russian salesman said: Drive in G550 after drive in G63. G550 feel like piece of $hit".

First major redesign of the G.....EVER
I think Cj is talking about the g550 squared...
Old 04-11-2018, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NateOZ
Harris video is a good summary of why you can't just get in the F12 once and enjoy it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjp1xjOzJqY&t=588s
"The car is really a 740 horsepower M3."

That actually sounds pretty amazing!
Old 04-11-2018, 02:17 PM
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I like the styling of the 458 better. It always looked a little like a Corvette the F12
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Originally Posted by Es macht nichts
"The car is really a 740 horsepower M3."

That actually sounds pretty amazing!
It is amazing, and the statement is true. The F12 is a beast, in a positively entertaining way.
Old 04-11-2018, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Catorce
First major redesign of the G.....EVER
I'm a huge G fan. I've owned a 55 and now a 63. I'm very intrigued at the re-design but the coolest thing about the car in general is that it's never really been changed!
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Originally Posted by JP Manor
I'm a huge G fan. I've owned a 55 and now a 63. I'm very intrigued at the re-design but the coolest thing about the car in general is that it's never really been changed!
I have owned a bunch of Mercedes but never a G. I am so stoked about this car....it's wider, handles better, has a much nicer interior and has more room in it. And it looks like a G!

Merc is taking holding deposits now - go get one! The lineup for these things is going to be huge, and the G is one of the few Mercedes that keeps very high resale values (which you no doubt already know).
Old 04-11-2018, 03:42 PM
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Looked at 480k list Tailor Made - waited one hour too long went for 305k 3000 miles.

Another F12 Tailor Made being turned in for 812 - 540k list 4500 miles offered at 350k but will most likely pass.

The F12 is the last of Pininfarina - love my FF listed for 419 worth 160 ish 5k miles decided to order 812 and keep the FF for two more years unless one perfect F12 comes along.

The 599 HGTE at 175k is a bargain the 599 at 150 is a bargain the lower msrp F12's will settle to the 180's once the 812's starts hitting the dealers and expect 10% drop per year until 150k. 7 year warranty is bs expect to spend 5k per year for warranty and it's worth every penny.

GT3 F12 - few pounds more hp there really is no difference on the street and minimal on the track.

Get the biggest msrp you can it won't cost much more and drive it til the wheels fall off - there is nothing in the world like a Ferrari V12 GT

Almost bought another G wagon but squared - it's harder to drive around town than my F350 Dually and getting in the back seat is near impossible.

Convinced the wife to get a Bentayga - can't imagine a better SUV it's off the charts.
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A low mile 350k MSRP F12 can be bought today for 240k. A 3 yr lease on 240k F12 currently shows residual of 140k assuming 3500 miles/year.
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My 2016 $420k msrp with 3k miles, capristo exhaust, clear bra, radar is fetching right under $300k from dealers. Trying to finalize a deal right now to sell it. Will definitely miss, but time to move on. Absolutely nothing like the v12 soundtrack, beauty, and comfort.
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Originally Posted by Catorce
I have owned a bunch of Mercedes but never a G. I am so stoked about this car....it's wider, handles better, has a much nicer interior and has more room in it. And it looks like a G!

Merc is taking holding deposits now - go get one! The lineup for these things is going to be huge, and the G is one of the few Mercedes that keeps very high resale values (which you no doubt already know).
I haven't done formal research, but I'd bet the farm that AMG G's hold their value just as good, if not better than any other other mass production car over the last 20 years, and definitely better than any other SUV.

I purchased a 2010 with 12k miles in 2011 for 90k, and sold it for 80k in 2015 with 40k miles on it.
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Originally Posted by nuvolari612
Looked at 480k list Tailor Made - waited one hour too long went for 305k 3000 miles.

Another F12 Tailor Made being turned in for 812 - 540k list 4500 miles offered at 350k but will most likely pass.

The F12 is the last of Pininfarina - love my FF listed for 419 worth 160 ish 5k miles decided to order 812 and keep the FF for two more years unless one perfect F12 comes along.

The 599 HGTE at 175k is a bargain the 599 at 150 is a bargain the lower msrp F12's will settle to the 180's once the 812's starts hitting the dealers and expect 10% drop per year until 150k. 7 year warranty is bs expect to spend 5k per year for warranty and it's worth every penny.

GT3 F12 - few pounds more hp there really is no difference on the street and minimal on the track.

Get the biggest msrp you can it won't cost much more and drive it til the wheels fall off - there is nothing in the world like a Ferrari V12 GT

Almost bought another G wagon but squared - it's harder to drive around town than my F350 Dually and getting in the back seat is near impossible.

Convinced the wife to get a Bentayga - can't imagine a better SUV it's off the charts.
Have you considered the Lambo Urus instead of the Bentayga?
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Originally Posted by carz80am
Agreed. I recently picked up a 430 manual and seem to enjoy it more than my f12 at times.
Did you trade your 991.2 GT3 for the 430? Pretty sure I met you at the Lamborghini Urus event in Sterling. Small world.


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