Because PDK: Some observations after a roll race
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And here is the one I had made for Manual (note the Final Drive is slightly different than yours) - still a distinct advantage for PDK...:
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And I have some other data that suggests the Final Drive for the Manual is 3.89:1 which would narrow the gap considerably (to only 2%)...
I just don't remember where the numbers came from or which is most reliable...
I just don't remember where the numbers came from or which is most reliable...
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Good info Grant! So what do you think? Does that gearing advantage for the .1 PDK negate the power advantage of the .2 MT? There is one sure way to find out.
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I need to learn to just let it go, but you were baiting manual fans from the very beginning of your post when you titled it “because pdk”. I’m not sure why you’d do that and then get defensive when they take the bait.
If you’ve seen PDK be much faster from a roll that’s fine, but that hasn’t been the result generally experienced by professional reviewers that have done controlled tests betwee the two.
If you’ve seen PDK be much faster from a roll that’s fine, but that hasn’t been the result generally experienced by professional reviewers that have done controlled tests betwee the two.
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Check my updated last post - Answer: I don't know what the correct number is or whether the gearing outweighs the power/torque or vice-versa ...
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Grant, from Road and Track...
With 4.0 liters at the ready, the GT3 pulls happily from low revs, but the real joy is in keeping it above 5500 rpm where important stuff happens. The manual does have tall gearing in its first two ratios (second is good for 81 mph), but the GT3 spends so little time in those gears that it's less of a criticism and more of a warning.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...3-first-drive/
With 4.0 liters at the ready, the GT3 pulls happily from low revs, but the real joy is in keeping it above 5500 rpm where important stuff happens. The manual does have tall gearing in its first two ratios (second is good for 81 mph), but the GT3 spends so little time in those gears that it's less of a criticism and more of a warning.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...3-first-drive/
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Grant, this link for the 911R shows the final drive ratio of 3.09. So I am thinking that this would be consistent with the data I posted.
https://www.carfolio.com/specificati...ar/?car=486948
https://www.carfolio.com/specificati...ar/?car=486948
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I need to learn to just let it go, but you were baiting manual fans from the very beginning of your post when you titled it “because pdk”. I’m not sure why you’d do that and then get defensive when they take the bait.
If you’ve seen PDK be much faster from a roll that’s fine, but that hasn’t been the result generally experienced by professional reviewers that have done controlled tests betwee the two.
If you’ve seen PDK be much faster from a roll that’s fine, but that hasn’t been the result generally experienced by professional reviewers that have done controlled tests betwee the two.
All good buddy!
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Grant, this link for the 911R shows the final drive ratio of 3.09. So I am thinking that this would be consistent with the data I posted.
https://www.carfolio.com/specificati...ar/?car=486948
https://www.carfolio.com/specificati...ar/?car=486948
Ok, thanks
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So without reading the 82384098032948 posts, 99.999999820938409823094809283409823094% of which are OPINION, is the point of this 820384098230483204th thread that the PDK transmission is BETTER (using ALL definitions that everyone would like to subjectively assign to this word) than the manual transmission? I think PAG already determined this considering they are the designer and manufacturer.
PDK IS FASTER AND BETTER. Maybe you subjectively like the manual more than the PDK. That doesn't mean its faster or better.
PDK IS FASTER AND BETTER. Maybe you subjectively like the manual more than the PDK. That doesn't mean its faster or better.
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So without reading the 82384098032948 posts, 99.999999820938409823094809283409823094% of which are OPINION, is the point of this 820384098230483204th thread that the PDK transmission is BETTER (using ALL definitions that everyone would like to subjectively assign to this word) than the manual transmission? I think PAG already determined this considering they are the designer and manufacturer.
PDK IS FASTER AND BETTER. Maybe you subjectively like the manual more than the PDK. That doesn't mean its faster or better.
PDK IS FASTER AND BETTER. Maybe you subjectively like the manual more than the PDK. That doesn't mean its faster or better.
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And it wouldn't be unusual for most companies that offer both gearboxes that one or both of them would be compromised in some way. But I consider PDK the best dual-clutch on the market and the 911R/GT3 Manual to be the best manual on sale as well...