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Wait 6 months and these cars will be had for MSRP...
unfortunately I doubt it.
Price delta to RS (with RS ADM) will be significant, GT3 production numbers far less than anticipated, may be last NA GT3, last manual NA GT3, and even if not, unlikely to see 992 GT3 deliveries for a couple years so I don’t see GT3 prices dropping much until 992 version is announced.
Only way this changes is if Porsche makes a ton of RS cars, (which eliminates RS ADM, making GT3 ADM unsustainable)
Unless you sold some tech company you probably only buy one GT3 and maybe one touring. No reason for multiple variants with the RS coming. You might miss your window to spec on but most people spec them one of 3 ways:
Boring color (safe color) PDK steel brakes
Fun color track style
Fun color luxury style.
Narrow down your category.
Eventually a 4th category emerges:
Shagged out high mileage.
Pick one, put highest octane in, drive as you would.
In GA you get credit for the taxes on the car you sold for the new purchase so you will get 100% of the tax zero loss. Dealer sells multiple cars to the same guy, and the GT3 with a fish hook to nab the ADM guy who dreams of having that GT3.
Thats ONLY good for the guy buying the car not the SAP that paid over.
So looking at a few 2015 GT3, the going price for a well sep one under 5K is about $150K. So is that a fair number with the same baked in over MSRP?
If these 2018 go for about 200+/-, with a 20-30K over MSRP, is that $150K in 3 years or $170K due to the over MSRP premium?
And lets assume we are not talking about any other things that get in to the mix, such as a 992 TT or something else.
So looking at a few 2015 GT3, the going price for a well sep one under 5K is about $150K. So is that a fair number with the same baked in over MSRP?
If these 2018 go for about 200+/-, with a 20-30K over MSRP, is that $150K in 3 years or $170K due to the over MSRP premium?
And lets assume we are not talking about any other things that get in to the mix, such as a 992 TT or something else.
I wouldn't worry too much about it... if you are forecasting what your car's value will be in 3 years I think you own it (or plan to own it) for the wrong reason in my humble opinion, YMMV
No one knows what is going to happen in 3 years time, how the market/economy is doing, if we will be alive, etc...
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I wouldn't worry too much about it... if you are forecasting what your car's value will be in 3 years I think you own it (or plan to own it) for the wrong reason in my humble opinion, YMMV
No one knows what is going to happen in 3 years time, how the market/economy is doing, if we will be alive, etc...
Don't get me wrong, I'm on the same page as you. You don't by these to sell or invest, you buy them to drive and enjoy.
But I'm trying to see if these 20-30K premiums are baked in to that market or not. If they are it's one thing to pay the extra, if they are not, it may be another.
Just trying to get a better understanding on how these over MSRP effect it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm on the same page as you. You don't by these to sell or invest, you buy them to drive and enjoy.
But I'm trying to see if these 20-30K premiums are baked in to that market or not. If they are it's one thing to pay the extra, if they are not, it may be another.
Just trying to get a better understanding on how these over MSRP effect it.
I paid an ADM on mine (lower than those premiums, $15K) and IMO I'm treating it as a sunk cost if I ever sell/trade-in the car. I doubt you could factor in the ADM on trade/re-sale but instead price based on other factors (MSRP, mileage, condition, desirable spec, location)
Fair,
Do you guys remember what the ADM if any was also in the 2015/16 model years?
I feel that we are on the top curb of a good economy, so people are spending and that is why we are seeing much higher ADM. I also remember that 10-15K was kind of common on spacial cars.
The dealer I went to yesterday was talking about 35K ADM. Good color and options, but still 35K, that is crazy with the number of 2018 you can find now.
Price delta to RS (with RS ADM) will be significant, GT3 production numbers far less than anticipated, may be last NA GT3, last manual NA GT3, and even if not, unlikely to see 992 GT3 deliveries for a couple years so I don’t see GT3 prices dropping much until 992 version is announced.
Only way this changes is if Porsche makes a ton of RS cars, (which eliminates RS ADM, making GT3 ADM unsustainable)
Fair point, however my rationale is that we are seeing a steady drop in the going rate for a "configurable allocations". It was $30K, then $20K where it stayed for a while and now it closer to $15K. This is counter-intuitive as "configurable allocation" slots are running out the closer we get to the end of 2018 (no 2019 .2 GT3 builds), so the going rate for configurable allocations should be rising not falling. In 6 months, I suspect there won't be any configurable allocations to be had and the market for the .2 GT3 would be (1) dealer bloated builds, (2) low mileage flips or (3) used variants (i.e., 2,000+ miles). With the .2 RS production in full swing, my thinking is that demand for the .2 GT3 cools down a bit. Maybe ADMs gravitate to $5K...
Fair point, however my rationale is that we are seeing a steady drop in the going rate for a "configurable allocations". It was $30K, then $20K where it stayed for a while and now it closer to $15K. This is counter-intuitive as "configurable allocation" slots are running out the closer we get to the end of 2018 (no 2019 .2 GT3 builds), so the going rate for configurable allocations should be rising not falling. In 6 months, I suspect there won't be any configurable allocations to be had and the market for the .2 GT3 would be (1) dealer bloated builds, (2) low mileage flips or (3) used variants (i.e., 2,000+ miles). With the .2 RS production in full swing, my thinking is that demand for the .2 GT3 cools down a bit. Maybe ADMs gravitate to $5K...
I hope you are right, but I'm not sure where you are seeing that trend because weather is warming up and I think it's getting harder to *find* configurable allocations (no idea on pricing and where ADMs are settling at)
I hope that everyone who wants a .2 GT3 gets one, but with only 1 model year, the .2 3RS likely to be crazy hard to get, and .2 GT3 is only one with 6MT...I don't see ADMs dropping...
Keep in mind, MSRP is just that, suggested retail price, as accustom to paying straight up MSRP or under as we all are. Find out what the car's value is worth subjectively to you, and if you find one at that number, full send/pull the trigger and don't look back!
Fair point, however my rationale is that we are seeing a steady drop in the going rate for a "configurable allocations". It was $30K, then $20K where it stayed for a while and now it closer to $15K.
Where is there a configurable allocation for $15k right now? I'm guessing there are a lot of RL'rs that would like to know that.
IMHO flippers & some dealers are greedy and follow the adage "it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" which sucks for enthusiasts who just want to own and drive the car
At a dealership last year, an SA told me of a guy who took delivery of his spec'd sapphire blue GT3 and turned right around and asked the SA if they would buy the car back at a premium
Likely most who were presented with an opportunity to get a .2 GT3 @ MSRP took the allocation whether they really wanted the car or not and are now likely testing the waters for a flip
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My dealer offered me a .2GT3 at msrp. I turned it down. I am happy with my .1RS. I am hoping to land a .2GT3RS allocation at msrp. I willing to bet adms on .2RS's will be $100K or more.
03-12-2018, 04:19 AM
