R.Deacon

Fellow DE Drivers vote your preference here for : windows up events using turning signal for passing directive or current procedure windows open with passing directive with arm out window
then share run group/car info if inclined

Alan Smithee

Dr.Bill

It takes a minimum of 6 hours the next day to clean out the majority of the desert dust. You will never get it all out. And the stuff in the air vents and on the back of the speedo dial will always be there.
Or so I've heard. . .

rshanholtz

To take this a step further, if signals are used (which I prefer with windows up), we should adopt the EU way of signaling while on the track. In Europe, the car in front signals in the direction he/she intends to move out of the way and the overtaking car goes to the other side to overtake. Generally by the way the car in front stays on line. Not always but mostly.

GrantG

+1000

Palting

I'm torn, actually. I like the rush of wind coming through the windows, the certainty and definitiveness of the arm out the window as a passing signal (when they do give it LOL). I also run with the AC off so that I get all available HP, and that is only possible with the windows down. But, the concerns raised in prior threads now biases me towards closed windows, so I voted for closed.

GrantG

Porsche has been bypassing the A/C compressor when you apply full throttle since the 944 Turbo of the mid-80's. No loss of power and very comfortable...

Alan Smithee

I am assuming those that wish to replace the point-by with turn signals are not mandating a windows-closed policy.

GrantG

Correct - feel free to keep your windows open if you want - just don't force others to do the same.

R.Deacon

Perhaps a simple solution to content both preferences , those wishing to run ( here the states) with windows up: display a square /box shape (using the always available blue tape ) on the left side of the rear bumper to indicate to the approaching passing car that turn signals will be the visual communication for which side to overtake and per standard procedure to prevail, the car being overtaken STAYS ON LINE .

Alan Smithee

^ IMO allowing both methods of signaling would be a disaster.

ExMB

+1

+1

You won't believe how many times, in the advanced group, I've seen cars go off line before giving a point by (since they didn't pay attention in the driver's meeting and are used to "left passing only" on some CCW tracks); or after giving a point by don't lift because the other car is faster and therefore must have more hp.

Palting

That's exactly what I mean. Windows are up, you're blasting away at full throttle most of the time, the AC therefore is effectively off. It can get pretty darn hot in there with the windows closed, say, VIR in August.

That's an idea. You can have a choice of window up or down, depending on comfort or preference. Everyone, though, should use turn signals as passing signals, so there is no confusion.

DaveGordon

Palting

LOL. I'm sure you were not referring to me as the "you", but, here in the US, the clubs I've run with that use signal lights want the passee to signal which way the passer should go. So, if the car being passed flashes the left turn signal, the passer goes to that cars left and the passee stays in lane. Now, throw in a driver who came from ROW where it's the exact opposite, and also a US driver who only knows hand signals and didn't attend the drivers meeting,........well, the emergency crew will be very busy indeed! Then of course, the US is overpopulated with lawyers, a very litigious society, so rules are debated, discussed in committees, multiple lawyers consulted, before we can even decide to paperclip the papers or use a stapler just in case the thumb tack people want to sue.