View Poll Results: vote windows up/down
windows up /closed
105
70.95%
windows down/ open
43
29.05%
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HPDE EVENTS WINDOWS UP/DOWN POLL
03-08-2018, 08:24 AM
#46
Rennlist Member
Yup, if it’s good enough for European tracks and organizers as well as the manufacturers it’s safe enough for me.
I say much safer than here because you’re more focused because you’re not heat stroking, your heads not wobbling, no sweat running in your eyes, no debris flying in when you crash or even just spin.
And you can run in the rain, be more comfortable and keep the interior clean.
Feel free to run windows down and point by, but don’t make everyone roll down the windows, it’s archaic.
I say much safer than here because you’re more focused because you’re not heat stroking, your heads not wobbling, no sweat running in your eyes, no debris flying in when you crash or even just spin.
And you can run in the rain, be more comfortable and keep the interior clean.
Feel free to run windows down and point by, but don’t make everyone roll down the windows, it’s archaic.
03-08-2018, 10:16 AM
#47
Banned
Voted windows up but only because “3. Free choice” was not included.
Of course, race cars with no windows can’t have their windows up so mandating windows up would be ridiculous.
Of course, race cars with no windows can’t have their windows up so mandating windows up would be ridiculous.
03-08-2018, 10:23 AM
#48
Banned
My position, as well. Live and let live.
And why wasn’t this poll started in the Racing/DE forum? It wasn’t even announced in the main thread. I just found out about it. This is not a 991 GT3 issue exclusively.
There are now THREE simultaneous threads on this same issue in three different forums, that I know of.
Last edited by hf1; 03-08-2018 at 10:45 AM.
03-08-2018, 10:30 AM
#49
Banned
To take this a step further, if signals are used (which I prefer with windows up), we should adopt the EU way of signaling while on the track. In Europe, the car in front signals in the direction he/she intends to move out of the way and the overtaking car goes to the other side to overtake. Generally by the way the car in front stays on line. Not always but mostly.
Giving a left blinker should mean “there will be room on the right”, not “I’m moving to the left”. Most of the time for a much slower car this translates to staying on line and only going off line if the faster car couldn’t fully complete the pass before the slower car’s line would have closed the room.
03-08-2018, 10:42 AM
#50
Banned
^Spence if the DE procedure for passing here would follow/adopt EURO procedure , using the blinker the direction They intend to move towards and passing car go around the the opposite side of the blinker indicating , I get that , how does the situation work when the car being passed stays on line as mandated here
or most often in novice groups where pacing on straight aways and the lead car isn't moving left or right ? Thoughts anyone
or most often in novice groups where pacing on straight aways and the lead car isn't moving left or right ? Thoughts anyone
03-08-2018, 12:54 PM
#51
Drifting
Thread Starter
^ thxs for your simple explanation , pardon me for not checking where I should have posted this poll , not sure with whom I needed to check with , just curious amongst fellow GT owners that participate in DE (not racing) if they prefer windows up or down , which may generate a data point for the guys running such events to take note , just a simple poll , guess should have included choice #3 to be either of 1 or 2 , that choice would have likely been the biggest % and would be the favorable policy my guess amongst participants
03-08-2018, 01:03 PM
#53
Drifting
Thread Starter
^^Sure would help the resolving the slow going train issue in the novice groups , makes sense to me
Last edited by R.Deacon; 03-08-2018 at 05:10 PM.
03-12-2018, 05:51 PM
#56
Banned
03-17-2018, 08:54 AM
#59
Rennlist Member
Windows DOWN is the safe way of doing it.
There is ZERO chance of mistakingly doing a point by with your hand outside the car, whereas you can accidentally bump the flasher... And, if you have an accident, the window is down and a corner worker/ambulance tech can pull you out FAST.
And the person PASSING is the one to move off line...I read above that some have it so the car BEING passed moves out of the way. That's weird and never happening in real life. Imagine in a race where the car in front moves out of the way.
As well, and more importantly, the car PASSING has to move off line, understand a different line, entry and exit, thus improving their driving and vision. This is the point of a DE event. And lot of guys get good at DE's and then go racing; those same skills they have been using for years are now pretty useful. Imagine if they expected the car in front to move out of the way.
And if you don;t want to get your pretty car dirty, use another car or stick to car&coffee events.
There is ZERO chance of mistakingly doing a point by with your hand outside the car, whereas you can accidentally bump the flasher... And, if you have an accident, the window is down and a corner worker/ambulance tech can pull you out FAST.
And the person PASSING is the one to move off line...I read above that some have it so the car BEING passed moves out of the way. That's weird and never happening in real life. Imagine in a race where the car in front moves out of the way.
As well, and more importantly, the car PASSING has to move off line, understand a different line, entry and exit, thus improving their driving and vision. This is the point of a DE event. And lot of guys get good at DE's and then go racing; those same skills they have been using for years are now pretty useful. Imagine if they expected the car in front to move out of the way.
And if you don;t want to get your pretty car dirty, use another car or stick to car&coffee events.
03-17-2018, 09:19 AM
#60
Rennlist Member
I’ve not seen two workers that are going to be able to pull me out of a window together..
We should have the option to choose our own safety.
I have seen many more half assed, dangerous point by’s, mostly those really cool ones that first stretch their arm all the way to he left, before bending their arm to the right over the car, setting the car passing up for wrong side momentarily. Almost as bad as the newbys driving off the track (and so accidentally off-line) because one hand..
you are right about staying online to get passed regardless of the point by. But we are all thought that in every drivers meeting.
We should have the option to choose our own safety.
I have seen many more half assed, dangerous point by’s, mostly those really cool ones that first stretch their arm all the way to he left, before bending their arm to the right over the car, setting the car passing up for wrong side momentarily. Almost as bad as the newbys driving off the track (and so accidentally off-line) because one hand..
you are right about staying online to get passed regardless of the point by. But we are all thought that in every drivers meeting.