.2 GT3 MT
03-16-2018, 03:05 PM
#31
Race Director
Manuals will be worth more - there is no question. People always want and will pay for what they can't have. When there are no more manuals, in production for GT cars, the rarity will be apparent- and this will be regardless if any one knows how to drive them.
There will be many more PDK GT cars for many years to come- so do not worry.
I may not be a Porsche evaluator but I know more than he does because I stayed in a Holiday Inn. Just like all the jack asses(experts at large oil Companies) years ago who thought oil was going to stay above $100
There will be many more PDK GT cars for many years to come- so do not worry.
I may not be a Porsche evaluator but I know more than he does because I stayed in a Holiday Inn. Just like all the jack asses(experts at large oil Companies) years ago who thought oil was going to stay above $100
03-16-2018, 03:13 PM
#32
true but I’m talking about .2 gts. For that matter you could go back to 997.1 and 997.2 to find manuals too. My point is there are more manual 991.2 Gt3 built than Pdk . I don’t believe the difference in adm will be too much. I know when I bought my Pdk carmine there were many manuals to pick from too with about the same adm depending on color and options and where I was looking.
03-17-2018, 12:07 AM
#34
In general, IMO, people who do well enough in life to afford these cars are motivated and enjoy challenges and engagement as well as furthering their own skill sets. Manuals are a challenge (relative to automatics), rewarding and provide bragging rights.
Why do people golf? Ski? All learned skills for people successful in life enough to afford to engage in them.
Golfs been around for over 100 years.
I personally can’t golf, but I sure did relearn how to drive manual in my time waiting for my manual to come in.
There will always be manual drivers.
Why do people golf? Ski? All learned skills for people successful in life enough to afford to engage in them.
Golfs been around for over 100 years.
I personally can’t golf, but I sure did relearn how to drive manual in my time waiting for my manual to come in.
There will always be manual drivers.
03-17-2018, 09:00 AM
#35
And I read enough of Rennlist to know that reading all of it is not good for you.
03-21-2018, 03:44 PM
#37
I talked to noted Porsche 911 evaluator for Panorama Mag Nathan Merz and he said there will be no premium for the manual over the PDK.
He is an expert in the 911 market and a judge.
There are more Manuals and there is no performance advantage. According to him in the long run options that have a performance advantage are
worth more, and add in the fact that as time goes along less and less people WANT manuals or even know how to drive them.
Why will people pay more in the future for a slower car that they can't drive?
But I know RIGHT NOW, tourings are bringing in more ADM only because not many wanted to order a GT3 without a wing. I wouldnt take that chance
no way no how.
He is an expert in the 911 market and a judge.
There are more Manuals and there is no performance advantage. According to him in the long run options that have a performance advantage are
worth more, and add in the fact that as time goes along less and less people WANT manuals or even know how to drive them.
Why will people pay more in the future for a slower car that they can't drive?
But I know RIGHT NOW, tourings are bringing in more ADM only because not many wanted to order a GT3 without a wing. I wouldnt take that chance
no way no how.
03-21-2018, 03:57 PM
#38
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
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I talked to noted Porsche 911 evaluator for Panorama Mag Nathan Merz and he said there will be no premium for the manual over the PDK.
He is an expert in the 911 market and a judge.
There are more Manuals and there is no performance advantage. According to him in the long run options that have a performance advantage are
worth more, and add in the fact that as time goes along less and less people WANT manuals or even know how to drive them.
Why will people pay more in the future for a slower car that they can't drive?
But I know RIGHT NOW, tourings are bringing in more ADM only because not many wanted to order a GT3 without a wing. I wouldnt take that chance
no way no how.
He is an expert in the 911 market and a judge.
There are more Manuals and there is no performance advantage. According to him in the long run options that have a performance advantage are
worth more, and add in the fact that as time goes along less and less people WANT manuals or even know how to drive them.
Why will people pay more in the future for a slower car that they can't drive?
But I know RIGHT NOW, tourings are bringing in more ADM only because not many wanted to order a GT3 without a wing. I wouldnt take that chance
no way no how.
I think the 991.2 GT3 MT will more likely than not command a premium over a comparably equipped 991.2 GT3 PDK in the future resale market; however, the MT will be more difficult to sell than the PDK.
In other words, there will be less overall demand for a 991.2 GT3 MT vis-a-vis a PDK version, but that smaller demand for the MT will be significantly more intense than the larger demand for the PDK.
There are and will be less people that want a MT, but for those few people who do, they want it A-L-O-T. And will settle for nothing else.
03-21-2018, 04:08 PM
#40
We may be splitting words (and sentences) here.
I think the 991.2 GT3 MT will more likely than not command a premium over a comparably equipped 991.2 GT3 PDK in the future resale market; however, the MT will be more difficult to sell than the PDK.
In other words, there will be less overall demand for a 991.2 GT3 MT vis-a-vis a PDK version, but that smaller demand for the MT will be significantly more intense than the larger demand for the PDK.
There are and will be less people that want a MT, but for those few people who do, they want it A-L-O-T. And will settle for nothing else.
I think the 991.2 GT3 MT will more likely than not command a premium over a comparably equipped 991.2 GT3 PDK in the future resale market; however, the MT will be more difficult to sell than the PDK.
In other words, there will be less overall demand for a 991.2 GT3 MT vis-a-vis a PDK version, but that smaller demand for the MT will be significantly more intense than the larger demand for the PDK.
There are and will be less people that want a MT, but for those few people who do, they want it A-L-O-T. And will settle for nothing else.
03-21-2018, 04:09 PM
#41
03-21-2018, 04:12 PM
#42
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
One item you may not be considering is that the supply/demand curve will continuously shift due to the decreasing number of of manuals being offered to the sports car market. With manuals being more and more scarce on performance cars, people will (and already have) begin to lust what they can't have. I expect the manual cars to be in high demand years from now from the aspects of quantity and price. At the end of the day, PDK will be overthrown by a better/faster transmission, whereas the manual will always be a manual. Its a modern classic of a mechanism.
Yes, the supply will decrease, but so will the demand. This generation of drivers do not want a MT, because they don't even know how to operate one. A few more years down the road, most people won't even want to drive, whether it's a manual, PDK, slush box with torque converter, CVT, etc. (See Uber, Lyft, and (gulp) Waymo).
As an aside, you know what I saw the other day? A manual. A manual car window lever.
