According to Porsche's announcement of the .2GT3RS
02-26-2018, 03:38 AM
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You guys are very cliquey. I feel like I’ve walked into an episode of "Happy Days" and told Richie, Potsie, Chachi, and Ralph that the Fonz has herpes. Everyone is beside themselves, and no one knows how to handle this information.
v070 status should mean nothing to an individual buyer; it does not get a buyer any closer to an allocation for a GT car. Some dealers utilize v070 order demands as a way to keep track of deposits and configurations. Many do not. Some dealers use a Word document, an Excel sheet or a pen and paper. There are an endless number of ways a dealer can keep track of their “list” until a real allocation is matched to a pending buyer. If a dealer decides not to utilize v070 order demands, it’s not because they have some nefarious, scheming plan to screw their clients.
Again, v070 is monitored by PCNA in aggregate, not individually when it comes to GT cars. When PCNA wants to request more GT product from Germany, they will add up the aggregate v070 orders as proof presented to Germany that PCNA should get additional GT production, rather than those allocations going to other areas of the world. When PCNA wants to make this argument, they will have the RM’s ask the individual dealers to put all their pending orders in v070 status. An aggregate tally is made, and that’s it. Sometimes they request this, other times not.
v070 is monitored differently with non-GT models; I already described that process in a prior post.
PCNA does not cross-check v070 GT orders to find buyers with multiple GT deposits across the country. The only time PCNA “cross-checked” buyers for multiple orders at different dealers was at the height of the Cayenne export problem. And that cross-check was done at v300, not v070.
When CJ refers to a simple formula and sales projections that are done in January, he is referring to the Annual Business Review that is done at the beginning of each year. It is an attempt to predict how many new Porsches a dealer could sell for a particular calendar year, month by month. Estimates for each category of car (911’s, 718’s, Macans, etc) are agreed upon by the dealer and PCNA. While you agree on the number of 911’s you could sell, it does not break it down by individual models within the 911 category. It has NOTHING to do with GT cars. Furthermore, it is not an agreement about promised allocations granted to the dealer. It is simply an agreement on what a dealer could sell IF they had the necessary allocations. As an example, a dealer could say, “December is our busiest month of the year… I think we could sell 22 911’s that month based on prior history. Will you ensure we have at least 22 911’s in our inventory in December to sell?” The regional manager will smile, and say, “You know I can’t promise that, but I’ll do my best.”
It does not guarantee GT allocations. It has NOTHING to do with GT allocations.
I’ll say it again, dealers do not know how many GT cars they will get before the allocations actually arrive. The percentage of what YOU could sell as agreed upon in your Annual Business Review is not the same as the percentage of what you will be allocated. Remember when dealers were shocked by the lack of 911R allocations? Or the flip side: remember when dealers where shocked at how many 991.1 GT3RS allocations they got? If you don’t believe this, simply go to your local dealer and ask them how many GT3RS’s they will be allocated next month. You’ll get crickets.
Some may find this boring. Some may find it interesting. Either way, it’s the truth.
v070 status should mean nothing to an individual buyer; it does not get a buyer any closer to an allocation for a GT car. Some dealers utilize v070 order demands as a way to keep track of deposits and configurations. Many do not. Some dealers use a Word document, an Excel sheet or a pen and paper. There are an endless number of ways a dealer can keep track of their “list” until a real allocation is matched to a pending buyer. If a dealer decides not to utilize v070 order demands, it’s not because they have some nefarious, scheming plan to screw their clients.
Again, v070 is monitored by PCNA in aggregate, not individually when it comes to GT cars. When PCNA wants to request more GT product from Germany, they will add up the aggregate v070 orders as proof presented to Germany that PCNA should get additional GT production, rather than those allocations going to other areas of the world. When PCNA wants to make this argument, they will have the RM’s ask the individual dealers to put all their pending orders in v070 status. An aggregate tally is made, and that’s it. Sometimes they request this, other times not.
v070 is monitored differently with non-GT models; I already described that process in a prior post.
PCNA does not cross-check v070 GT orders to find buyers with multiple GT deposits across the country. The only time PCNA “cross-checked” buyers for multiple orders at different dealers was at the height of the Cayenne export problem. And that cross-check was done at v300, not v070.
When CJ refers to a simple formula and sales projections that are done in January, he is referring to the Annual Business Review that is done at the beginning of each year. It is an attempt to predict how many new Porsches a dealer could sell for a particular calendar year, month by month. Estimates for each category of car (911’s, 718’s, Macans, etc) are agreed upon by the dealer and PCNA. While you agree on the number of 911’s you could sell, it does not break it down by individual models within the 911 category. It has NOTHING to do with GT cars. Furthermore, it is not an agreement about promised allocations granted to the dealer. It is simply an agreement on what a dealer could sell IF they had the necessary allocations. As an example, a dealer could say, “December is our busiest month of the year… I think we could sell 22 911’s that month based on prior history. Will you ensure we have at least 22 911’s in our inventory in December to sell?” The regional manager will smile, and say, “You know I can’t promise that, but I’ll do my best.”
It does not guarantee GT allocations. It has NOTHING to do with GT allocations.
I’ll say it again, dealers do not know how many GT cars they will get before the allocations actually arrive. The percentage of what YOU could sell as agreed upon in your Annual Business Review is not the same as the percentage of what you will be allocated. Remember when dealers were shocked by the lack of 911R allocations? Or the flip side: remember when dealers where shocked at how many 991.1 GT3RS allocations they got? If you don’t believe this, simply go to your local dealer and ask them how many GT3RS’s they will be allocated next month. You’ll get crickets.
Some may find this boring. Some may find it interesting. Either way, it’s the truth.
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02-26-2018, 04:10 AM
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" LOL some users, before getting a Rennlist avatar,
should watch and watch that old but still very actual and clever tv series
at least we could avoid that "I am the 918 Fonzie VIP and you're not" boring refrain
should watch and watch that old but still very actual and clever tv series
at least we could avoid that "I am the 918 Fonzie VIP and you're not" boring refrain
02-26-2018, 04:36 AM
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How many rounds of GT3RS allocations? Will it be one small one to start and then everything until the end in the second? Will it be quarter by quarter?
The only way I am getting one is to wait it out (given how early my GT3 allocation was) so I am genuinely curious as to what people think? I suspect it will be one fell swoop in the US.
Relatedly, any word as to when 991 production stops and the switch over to 992 production begins?
The only way I am getting one is to wait it out (given how early my GT3 allocation was) so I am genuinely curious as to what people think? I suspect it will be one fell swoop in the US.
Relatedly, any word as to when 991 production stops and the switch over to 992 production begins?
02-26-2018, 11:09 AM
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How many rounds of GT3RS allocations? Will it be one small one to start and then everything until the end in the second? Will it be quarter by quarter?
The only way I am getting one is to wait it out (given how early my GT3 allocation was) so I am genuinely curious as to what people think? I suspect it will be one fell swoop in the US.
Relatedly, any word as to when 991 production stops and the switch over to 992 production begins?
The only way I am getting one is to wait it out (given how early my GT3 allocation was) so I am genuinely curious as to what people think? I suspect it will be one fell swoop in the US.
Relatedly, any word as to when 991 production stops and the switch over to 992 production begins?
02-27-2018, 03:45 PM
#51
You guys are very cliquey. I feel like I’ve walked into an episode of "Happy Days" and told Richie, Potsie, Chachi, and Ralph that the Fonz has herpes. Everyone is beside themselves, and no one knows how to handle this information.
v070 status should mean nothing to an individual buyer; it does not get a buyer any closer to an allocation for a GT car. Some dealers utilize v070 order demands as a way to keep track of deposits and configurations. Many do not. Some dealers use a Word document, an Excel sheet or a pen and paper. There are an endless number of ways a dealer can keep track of their “list” until a real allocation is matched to a pending buyer. If a dealer decides not to utilize v070 order demands, it’s not because they have some nefarious, scheming plan to screw their clients.
Again, v070 is monitored by PCNA in aggregate, not individually when it comes to GT cars. When PCNA wants to request more GT product from Germany, they will add up the aggregate v070 orders as proof presented to Germany that PCNA should get additional GT production, rather than those allocations going to other areas of the world. When PCNA wants to make this argument, they will have the RM’s ask the individual dealers to put all their pending orders in v070 status. An aggregate tally is made, and that’s it. Sometimes they request this, other times not.
v070 is monitored differently with non-GT models; I already described that process in a prior post.
PCNA does not cross-check v070 GT orders to find buyers with multiple GT deposits across the country. The only time PCNA “cross-checked” buyers for multiple orders at different dealers was at the height of the Cayenne export problem. And that cross-check was done at v300, not v070.
When CJ refers to a simple formula and sales projections that are done in January, he is referring to the Annual Business Review that is done at the beginning of each year. It is an attempt to predict how many new Porsches a dealer could sell for a particular calendar year, month by month. Estimates for each category of car (911’s, 718’s, Macans, etc) are agreed upon by the dealer and PCNA. While you agree on the number of 911’s you could sell, it does not break it down by individual models within the 911 category. It has NOTHING to do with GT cars. Furthermore, it is not an agreement about promised allocations granted to the dealer. It is simply an agreement on what a dealer could sell IF they had the necessary allocations. As an example, a dealer could say, “December is our busiest month of the year… I think we could sell 22 911’s that month based on prior history. Will you ensure we have at least 22 911’s in our inventory in December to sell?” The regional manager will smile, and say, “You know I can’t promise that, but I’ll do my best.”
It does not guarantee GT allocations. It has NOTHING to do with GT allocations.
I’ll say it again, dealers do not know how many GT cars they will get before the allocations actually arrive. The percentage of what YOU could sell as agreed upon in your Annual Business Review is not the same as the percentage of what you will be allocated. Remember when dealers were shocked by the lack of 911R allocations? Or the flip side: remember when dealers where shocked at how many 991.1 GT3RS allocations they got? If you don’t believe this, simply go to your local dealer and ask them how many GT3RS’s they will be allocated next month. You’ll get crickets.
Some may find this boring. Some may find it interesting. Either way, it’s the truth.
v070 status should mean nothing to an individual buyer; it does not get a buyer any closer to an allocation for a GT car. Some dealers utilize v070 order demands as a way to keep track of deposits and configurations. Many do not. Some dealers use a Word document, an Excel sheet or a pen and paper. There are an endless number of ways a dealer can keep track of their “list” until a real allocation is matched to a pending buyer. If a dealer decides not to utilize v070 order demands, it’s not because they have some nefarious, scheming plan to screw their clients.
Again, v070 is monitored by PCNA in aggregate, not individually when it comes to GT cars. When PCNA wants to request more GT product from Germany, they will add up the aggregate v070 orders as proof presented to Germany that PCNA should get additional GT production, rather than those allocations going to other areas of the world. When PCNA wants to make this argument, they will have the RM’s ask the individual dealers to put all their pending orders in v070 status. An aggregate tally is made, and that’s it. Sometimes they request this, other times not.
v070 is monitored differently with non-GT models; I already described that process in a prior post.
PCNA does not cross-check v070 GT orders to find buyers with multiple GT deposits across the country. The only time PCNA “cross-checked” buyers for multiple orders at different dealers was at the height of the Cayenne export problem. And that cross-check was done at v300, not v070.
When CJ refers to a simple formula and sales projections that are done in January, he is referring to the Annual Business Review that is done at the beginning of each year. It is an attempt to predict how many new Porsches a dealer could sell for a particular calendar year, month by month. Estimates for each category of car (911’s, 718’s, Macans, etc) are agreed upon by the dealer and PCNA. While you agree on the number of 911’s you could sell, it does not break it down by individual models within the 911 category. It has NOTHING to do with GT cars. Furthermore, it is not an agreement about promised allocations granted to the dealer. It is simply an agreement on what a dealer could sell IF they had the necessary allocations. As an example, a dealer could say, “December is our busiest month of the year… I think we could sell 22 911’s that month based on prior history. Will you ensure we have at least 22 911’s in our inventory in December to sell?” The regional manager will smile, and say, “You know I can’t promise that, but I’ll do my best.”
It does not guarantee GT allocations. It has NOTHING to do with GT allocations.
I’ll say it again, dealers do not know how many GT cars they will get before the allocations actually arrive. The percentage of what YOU could sell as agreed upon in your Annual Business Review is not the same as the percentage of what you will be allocated. Remember when dealers were shocked by the lack of 911R allocations? Or the flip side: remember when dealers where shocked at how many 991.1 GT3RS allocations they got? If you don’t believe this, simply go to your local dealer and ask them how many GT3RS’s they will be allocated next month. You’ll get crickets.
Some may find this boring. Some may find it interesting. Either way, it’s the truth.
02-27-2018, 05:40 PM
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It's like asking a bank robber did you rob a bank. 
I do not know a single dealer in the world would admit to the client's face that yes we screwed you. On purpose. And we will do it again and again.
I know and friends with a few Cali dealers. I am not a client and hence I got told more. It's just business to them. I really want to do names but at least one of them you guys all don't like.
If a GT car is not limited in numbers, the dealer knows their ballpark number.
I do not know a single dealer in the world would admit to the client's face that yes we screwed you. On purpose. And we will do it again and again.
I know and friends with a few Cali dealers. I am not a client and hence I got told more. It's just business to them. I really want to do names but at least one of them you guys all don't like.
If a GT car is not limited in numbers, the dealer knows their ballpark number.
02-28-2018, 01:27 PM
#55
Nick- more FaceTime with clients is always good.
Also- we have had an established list for 11 months on this car and all other GT cars (and upcoming GT4/Box Spyder)
I cut off the list at 25 a year ago, we will enter all 25 people into v70. I will take deposits from top 3-6 people and see what happens.
Rather than charge over msrp I am encouraging my customers to take Euro Delivery. My goal is to grow the allocations for the store.
Also- we have had an established list for 11 months on this car and all other GT cars (and upcoming GT4/Box Spyder)
I cut off the list at 25 a year ago, we will enter all 25 people into v70. I will take deposits from top 3-6 people and see what happens.
Rather than charge over msrp I am encouraging my customers to take Euro Delivery. My goal is to grow the allocations for the store.
02-28-2018, 01:39 PM
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02-28-2018, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by disden
any allocation info yet? My dealer says I'll get one, but no timeframe he can tell me yet. Is Porsche waiting for Geneva to release non-VIP allocation details?
02-28-2018, 03:18 PM
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Do you recall when the .1RS allocations for regular clients were given to the dealers? I started this thread because Porsche stated quite clearly that the car was available for order IMMEDIATELY. I am puzzled by the announcement.