Are GT3s with ADM moving off dealer lots?
02-04-2019, 01:50 PM
#542
Is it really? Of course it will end EVENTUALLY, but it has been going strong since early 2017 and is still going. That's a long time.
I stand by my previous comment on the prior page. If you have a long standing relationship with your dealer and have purchased 19 new cars through them, with multiple trades, sure maybe you can get one at MSRP. This forum is not an accurate indicator of who wants to buy a new GT3. There are a LOT of people out there who just don't post on forums. As I said previously, just 2 weeks prior I called 8 dealers regarding a "base" winged GT3 sitting on their showroom floor. If I remember correctly, only 1 was a manual and the lowest ADM was $12K. The highest was $30K.
There were multiple people back in 2017 who claimed MSRP deals just like now. Funny when I reached out, nobody had them. I would have bought the car on the spot. But in the end I was forced to spend what was a base model Mercedes in markup to get the car I wanted. I have a feeling if I say "I'll buy an MSRP car right now (white winged GT3 PDK with some basic options)", all I'd hear are crickets while other threads continue spouting how many MSRP cars are still out there.
Have ADMs gone down? Yes. Are they gone? Nope.
There were multiple people back in 2017 who claimed MSRP deals just like now. Funny when I reached out, nobody had them. I would have bought the car on the spot. But in the end I was forced to spend what was a base model Mercedes in markup to get the car I wanted. I have a feeling if I say "I'll buy an MSRP car right now (white winged GT3 PDK with some basic options)", all I'd hear are crickets while other threads continue spouting how many MSRP cars are still out there.
Have ADMs gone down? Yes. Are they gone? Nope.
02-04-2019, 04:21 PM
#543
I am in Canada and just traded my 991.1 for a 991.2 GT3.
I looked at every car for sale in the country. There is about 20, all used with CPO. I could only fine one brand new one (Black 6 speed) but they said it was the owners car and he "may" take $50k over MSRP which I laughed at.
The best deal I could get in the country was a PDK Miami Blue with 2000 miles and CPO for $12k Canadian over MSRP (about $8500 USD). Now there is an Orange one listed that is slightly better deal, but none have come down to MSRP yet, but are dropping for sure. The 6 speeds are all asking $25K plus over MSRP but I don't see any moving.
I looked at every car for sale in the country. There is about 20, all used with CPO. I could only fine one brand new one (Black 6 speed) but they said it was the owners car and he "may" take $50k over MSRP which I laughed at.
The best deal I could get in the country was a PDK Miami Blue with 2000 miles and CPO for $12k Canadian over MSRP (about $8500 USD). Now there is an Orange one listed that is slightly better deal, but none have come down to MSRP yet, but are dropping for sure. The 6 speeds are all asking $25K plus over MSRP but I don't see any moving.
Last edited by trompazo; 02-04-2019 at 04:24 PM. Reason: added info
02-04-2019, 04:52 PM
#544
Is it really? Of course it will end EVENTUALLY, but it has been going strong since early 2017 and is still going. That's a long time.
I stand by my previous comment on the prior page. If you have a long standing relationship with your dealer and have purchased 19 new cars through them, with multiple trades, sure maybe you can get one at MSRP. This forum is not an accurate indicator of who wants to buy a new GT3. There are a LOT of people out there who just don't post on forums. As I said previously, just 2 weeks prior I called 8 dealers regarding a "base" winged GT3 sitting on their showroom floor. If I remember correctly, only 1 was a manual and the lowest ADM was $12K. The highest was $30K.
There were multiple people back in 2017 who claimed MSRP deals just like now. Funny when I reached out, nobody had them. I would have bought the car on the spot. But in the end I was forced to spend what was a base model Mercedes in markup to get the car I wanted. I have a feeling if I say "I'll buy an MSRP car right now (white winged GT3 PDK with some basic options)", all I'd hear are crickets while other threads continue spouting how many MSRP cars are still out there.
Have ADMs gone down? Yes. Are they gone? Nope.
I stand by my previous comment on the prior page. If you have a long standing relationship with your dealer and have purchased 19 new cars through them, with multiple trades, sure maybe you can get one at MSRP. This forum is not an accurate indicator of who wants to buy a new GT3. There are a LOT of people out there who just don't post on forums. As I said previously, just 2 weeks prior I called 8 dealers regarding a "base" winged GT3 sitting on their showroom floor. If I remember correctly, only 1 was a manual and the lowest ADM was $12K. The highest was $30K.
There were multiple people back in 2017 who claimed MSRP deals just like now. Funny when I reached out, nobody had them. I would have bought the car on the spot. But in the end I was forced to spend what was a base model Mercedes in markup to get the car I wanted. I have a feeling if I say "I'll buy an MSRP car right now (white winged GT3 PDK with some basic options)", all I'd hear are crickets while other threads continue spouting how many MSRP cars are still out there.
Have ADMs gone down? Yes. Are they gone? Nope.
02-04-2019, 04:59 PM
#545
This is the same story I heard a year ago. "MSRP deals are out there." Find me one then. There was one posted last week, which disappeared less than an hour later (to someone not on this forum from my memory).
I mean, it is too late since I have my car.
02-04-2019, 05:09 PM
#546
Suffice it to say, none of the 8 dealers I called offered anything close to MSRP. Lowest was $12K and that's after stating I would wire money immediately for MSRP.
This is the same story I heard a year ago. "MSRP deals are out there." Find me one then. There was one posted last week, which disappeared less than an hour later (to someone not on this forum from my memory).
I mean, it is too late since I have my car.
This is the same story I heard a year ago. "MSRP deals are out there." Find me one then. There was one posted last week, which disappeared less than an hour later (to someone not on this forum from my memory).
I mean, it is too late since I have my car.
02-04-2019, 05:23 PM
#547
Rennlist Member
3rs purchased at MSRP here; no 918 vip. The lion-share have transacted at MSRP from long term and/or recent good Porsche customers. If u r calling around to 8 dealers, you are not what a dealer would define as one of their better clients. Just doesn't work that way. The call-8-dealer buyer is the ADM buyer. I don't mean that to be an insult; it's just how it works.
02-04-2019, 05:37 PM
#548
3rs purchased at MSRP here; no 918 vip. The lion-share have transacted at MSRP from long term and/or recent good Porsche customers. If u r calling around to 8 dealers, you are not what a dealer would define as one of their better clients. Just doesn't work that way. The call-8-dealer buyer is the ADM buyer. I don't mean that to be an insult; it's just how it works.
During a service at the SAME dealer I bought my car, they offered a Touring to me for $35K over "for you" because I was a good/prior customer. This was less than a month ago.
Some of them have been posted right here on RL. I haven’t even been looking as I also have a GT3 already but I have not found them hard to find. Just go through the last several pages of the for sale forum and you will see some. And some were advertised in the thread on available GT3s in this forum, too.
I know I'm not going to convince anyone otherwise. This is my first Porsche so I don't expect to get any deals. But to say that they're available to anyone is just not true.
I'll just leave it at that.
02-04-2019, 05:56 PM
#549
Rennlist Member
I agree. First time buyer of Porsche is a HARD, HARD sell to get a GT product at list. So we agree. On same hand, that's how it should work. Brand and dealer loyalty should trump ADM; and at good dealers it does.
02-28-2019, 11:31 PM
#551
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03-12-2019, 02:31 PM
#554
Rennlist Member
[QUOTE=kash101;15698612]wonder how ADM is doing now.. still there or dying down... ?[/QUOTE
Last trade that I referenced above, was delivered this past Saturday.
Last trade that I referenced above, was delivered this past Saturday.
03-12-2019, 03:01 PM
#555
In my experience you can’t trust what is shown on web sites. Including PCNA.
When shopping for cars (in the past - not currently looking for GT3 or anything else) I have called on cars listed as available to discover they sold. This happened to me more times than I can count when I was hoping to buy a GT4 (before I got my very late build slot).
The dealers leave cars on web sites to create traffic. People are drawn in and call about a car and that creates the opportunity for a savvy dealer to possibly sell another car. Maybe not all dealers do this - but my local dealer is pretty bad about updating info online. And they are great people and I have a great relationship and am treated very well by them (and vice versa) - but computer tasks don’t seem to be high on their list.
You don’t really know until you call and confirm and even that means you must speak to someone knowledgeable.
When shopping for cars (in the past - not currently looking for GT3 or anything else) I have called on cars listed as available to discover they sold. This happened to me more times than I can count when I was hoping to buy a GT4 (before I got my very late build slot).
The dealers leave cars on web sites to create traffic. People are drawn in and call about a car and that creates the opportunity for a savvy dealer to possibly sell another car. Maybe not all dealers do this - but my local dealer is pretty bad about updating info online. And they are great people and I have a great relationship and am treated very well by them (and vice versa) - but computer tasks don’t seem to be high on their list.
You don’t really know until you call and confirm and even that means you must speak to someone knowledgeable.