991.2 GT3 manual tranny - why so few reviews?
01-22-2018, 09:42 AM
#46
Wow, Calexio, I’m a PDK guy but now you have me wanting a MT .2 GT3! You are truly living your best life, keep posting your experiences...thanks!
01-22-2018, 09:58 AM
#47
Thanks for the fantastic read Alex. Really made my Monday morning. Must have been an incredible experience for you to be involved with the development of such an outrageous car.
01-22-2018, 10:15 AM
#48
Burning Brakes
Your assessment has me convinced that my choice of MT was the correct decision for me....and my car is only a few days away.
01-22-2018, 11:25 AM
#50
Three Wheelin'
Awesome story and pics CAlexio !
You should post more of those as you test more cars in the future !
You should post more of those as you test more cars in the future !
01-22-2018, 11:50 AM
#51
Drifting
Thanks for the passionate write-up of the MT! I was back-and-forth between the PDK and the MT. However, my 991.1 GT3 being PDK predicated me trying the MT option for a change. I figured PDK cars will continue, PDK will evolve and improve, the next GT3 will have PDK available; however, I doubt that the MT will be offered. That too, the current 991.2 MT is likely the most refined a MT for a Porsche will ever get if that's the case.
Your assessment has me convinced that my choice of MT was the correct decision for me....and my car is only a few days away.
Your assessment has me convinced that my choice of MT was the correct decision for me....and my car is only a few days away.
01-22-2018, 12:24 PM
#53
CALexio. I would love to hear your in depth review of the 991.2 GT3 manual (other that your thoughts about it being the last high revving manual available)! LOL! Bring it on!
01-22-2018, 01:22 PM
#54
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
The .2 manual may just turn out to be the keeper to have.
I took it for a short spin yesterday and the balance between the clutch and throw of the shift is perfect for me. Just thrilling by way of driver engagement or getting the one gear change just right. When you get it all spot on... driving Nirvana!
I took it for a short spin yesterday and the balance between the clutch and throw of the shift is perfect for me. Just thrilling by way of driver engagement or getting the one gear change just right. When you get it all spot on... driving Nirvana!
01-22-2018, 05:00 PM
#55
Rennlist Member
Calexio,
Nice reviews but hurtful to the fragile 911 R owners I'm sure. The 991.2 GT3, the 911R but better - can't wait to get mine.
Can you also comment on your experiences about the 996/997 generation GT2, GT3/GT3 RS etc, and maybe the older 360/430 manual transmission Ferraris? I already eliminated the Astons from my wish list based just on your views. Thanks for saving me some money.
Nice reviews but hurtful to the fragile 911 R owners I'm sure. The 991.2 GT3, the 911R but better - can't wait to get mine.
Can you also comment on your experiences about the 996/997 generation GT2, GT3/GT3 RS etc, and maybe the older 360/430 manual transmission Ferraris? I already eliminated the Astons from my wish list based just on your views. Thanks for saving me some money.
01-22-2018, 05:02 PM
#56
Instructor
Re: manual reviews, Porsche intentionally supplies the reviewers with PDK cars since the performance is better. They could absolutely pump out a few manual press cars early in the run if they wanted to. PDK means their car will test better and also give more predictable results than relying on the stick and clutch skills that any given journalist might or might not have.
Regardless of what people say, the magazine numbers matter and are an important part of marketing. Plus, in all of the comparison tests, seconds and tenths of a second here and there make the difference between their car being at the top of the list, or lost somewhere in the middle. This is also the case with other options, though to a lesser extent, with things like PCCB, small fuel tank, powerkit etc. options being selected for early press cars.
Regardless of what people say, the magazine numbers matter and are an important part of marketing. Plus, in all of the comparison tests, seconds and tenths of a second here and there make the difference between their car being at the top of the list, or lost somewhere in the middle. This is also the case with other options, though to a lesser extent, with things like PCCB, small fuel tank, powerkit etc. options being selected for early press cars.
01-22-2018, 05:27 PM
#57
Race Director
Originally Posted by texascarlover
CALexio. I would love to hear your in depth review of the 991.2 GT3 manual (other that your thoughts about it being the last high revving manual available)! LOL! Bring it on!
I'll therefore be able to offer feedback by late March. But again, I'm just like all of us.. probably the current owners have already said it all, I hope I'll be able to offer additional insight but won't be easy.
Originally Posted by Riz
Calexio,
Nice reviews but hurtful to the fragile 911 R owners I'm sure. The 991.2 GT3, the 911R but better - can't wait to get mine.
Can you also comment on your experiences about the 996/997 generation GT2, GT3/GT3 RS etc, and maybe the older 360/430 manual transmission Ferraris? I already eliminated the Astons from my wish list based just on your views. Thanks for saving me some money.
Nice reviews but hurtful to the fragile 911 R owners I'm sure. The 991.2 GT3, the 911R but better - can't wait to get mine.
Can you also comment on your experiences about the 996/997 generation GT2, GT3/GT3 RS etc, and maybe the older 360/430 manual transmission Ferraris? I already eliminated the Astons from my wish list based just on your views. Thanks for saving me some money.
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01-23-2018, 06:37 PM
#60
While The world of sports cars has never been more saturated then today, remember that in production today there are maybe one or two naturally aspirated high revving engines left, the GT3 and the V 12 Ferrari... And there is only one left with a manual transmission.
ONLY ONE MANUAL NA HIGH REV CAR IN PRODUCTION IN THE WORLD. The gt3.2, which will have only ONE year of production, 2018.
That is no small fact, and it will keep this car extremely relevant for the for seeable future.
I'll also add something else. I get to drive almost every major sports car in the world on track. GT3RS/488/P1/CGT/918/F12-TDF/675LT/911R/458Speciale/SCG003 (development driver).. I could go on. And while I'm not wealthy enough to own these cars, I have had the incredible honor and experience of being able to drive each one very hard, with no restraint or consideration of value. I was able to live with a few for extended periods and high mileage trips across states. It enabled me to look at each one of these machines objectively and critically. This enabled me, in my own mind at least, to decide with certainty from experience which one I would want to own. Of all of these, if I could only have one, a keeper forever, there is absolutely only ONE which I would want in my garage, the 911R. And even the R I found slightly lacking for one reason, a relatively disappointing top end.. it went flat.. but it still won hands done overall in my mind.. when I could pick I let others take the hypercars, I would take the old school low power (comparatively) manual 911R.
All the other wunder cars were exciting but flawed, more a novelty than a comprehensive package. Or too much to enjoy in regular moments on road at normal speeds.. really only at home in extreme situations like track or illegal road speeds. All in my mind quickly become surpassed technology, falling in the shadows of whatever car comes next.. always what's next?
The 911R was never like this, always my go-to. Now, I can't have the 911R but I can the next best thing.. the manual 911 GT3.2. And luckily, porsche fixed the ONE issue I experienced with the 911R, namely the weak-ish top end. How lucky are we???... mere mortals with the very pinnacle of perfect sports car development??!!!!.
I say this with absolute certainty and excitement that the only car of these I can afford, is actually the only one I would want to have... the GT3.2 Manual. I can buy it KNOWING, just KNOWING, that I've driven almost everything the world has to offer and that this is my true CHOICE!
Hopefully this does not come across as braggadocious, that's really not my intent... I stay relatively quiet about stuff like this normally, And I'm not really a Porsche fanboy. I just think that this car is incredibly unique not only in today's environment, but for a long long time to come. The sum of its parts is so well measured, so ON POINT, that to surpass its ownership experience and driving engagement, especially in today's turbo flappy paddle environment.. will be IMPOSSIBLE.
Rejoice GT3.2 manual owners, because everyone of us who is getting an allocation is indeed the luckiest of all sports car owners. I am 100% certain of this, and I feel that lucky.
ONLY ONE MANUAL NA HIGH REV CAR IN PRODUCTION IN THE WORLD. The gt3.2, which will have only ONE year of production, 2018.
That is no small fact, and it will keep this car extremely relevant for the for seeable future.
I'll also add something else. I get to drive almost every major sports car in the world on track. GT3RS/488/P1/CGT/918/F12-TDF/675LT/911R/458Speciale/SCG003 (development driver).. I could go on. And while I'm not wealthy enough to own these cars, I have had the incredible honor and experience of being able to drive each one very hard, with no restraint or consideration of value. I was able to live with a few for extended periods and high mileage trips across states. It enabled me to look at each one of these machines objectively and critically. This enabled me, in my own mind at least, to decide with certainty from experience which one I would want to own. Of all of these, if I could only have one, a keeper forever, there is absolutely only ONE which I would want in my garage, the 911R. And even the R I found slightly lacking for one reason, a relatively disappointing top end.. it went flat.. but it still won hands done overall in my mind.. when I could pick I let others take the hypercars, I would take the old school low power (comparatively) manual 911R.
All the other wunder cars were exciting but flawed, more a novelty than a comprehensive package. Or too much to enjoy in regular moments on road at normal speeds.. really only at home in extreme situations like track or illegal road speeds. All in my mind quickly become surpassed technology, falling in the shadows of whatever car comes next.. always what's next?
The 911R was never like this, always my go-to. Now, I can't have the 911R but I can the next best thing.. the manual 911 GT3.2. And luckily, porsche fixed the ONE issue I experienced with the 911R, namely the weak-ish top end. How lucky are we???... mere mortals with the very pinnacle of perfect sports car development??!!!!.
I say this with absolute certainty and excitement that the only car of these I can afford, is actually the only one I would want to have... the GT3.2 Manual. I can buy it KNOWING, just KNOWING, that I've driven almost everything the world has to offer and that this is my true CHOICE!
Hopefully this does not come across as braggadocious, that's really not my intent... I stay relatively quiet about stuff like this normally, And I'm not really a Porsche fanboy. I just think that this car is incredibly unique not only in today's environment, but for a long long time to come. The sum of its parts is so well measured, so ON POINT, that to surpass its ownership experience and driving engagement, especially in today's turbo flappy paddle environment.. will be IMPOSSIBLE.
Rejoice GT3.2 manual owners, because everyone of us who is getting an allocation is indeed the luckiest of all sports car owners. I am 100% certain of this, and I feel that lucky.