991.1 GT3RS's under or near MSRP now
#46
+1 its all about the wing! No wide fenders no care. RS just looks so much more badass
#47
Intermediate
This is true, mark did own this car, his name on here is @defen5e . We accepted our RS' at the same time at Park Place. He is a regular at COTA events and the car has been tracked but very well taken care of. For my sake, I hope this car sells as eventually my RS will meet the same fate even though I have a 991.2 as well.
#48
Nordschleife Master
Now is the time to by a .1RS not a .2GT3 imho.
High mileage and track mileage RS still sporting serious asking price for a 2 year old car. Even 997.2 RSs are VERY sensitive to mileage and track use.
If the .2RS is PDK and Porsche has made clear RSs get only PDK since it provides superior performance and is limited as expected with impossible adms and allocation .1RS values will likely go back up.
#50
Race Director
^^Do not disagree with above. I think timing is getting close to pick up a .1 RS; if one so desires. The gamble is how many .2 RSs will they produce. Nobody has a clue right now but I am thinking less than .1. If they still pump out like 5000 of these all bets are off - .1s will drop and certainly below MSRP. Very few will trade their .2 Manual for a PDK RS so it will take many out of the market unless they will buy - as an addition to their .2 GT3. But, one can not over estimate the demand for the RS. Higher price point, very gregarious, and really more track oriented. It will be interesting to see how many .1 GT3s/RSs are still for sale say in June, which, if many- will not bode well for the secondary market prices
#52
If it was really tracked for all of those miles it would be nearing time for an engine rebuild soon. 991.2 Cup engines and gearbox need a scheduled rebuild at 100 hours, and keep in mind that engine was de-tuned from the street car in order to increase longevity. Yes they are designed to be tracked, but usage is still all important.
#53
If it was really tracked for all of those miles it would be nearing time for an engine rebuild soon. 991.2 Cup engines and gearbox need a scheduled rebuild at 100 hours, and keep in mind that engine was de-tuned from the street car in order to increase longevity. Yes they are designed to be tracked, but usage is still all important.
#54
one thing is sure. The comparable used .1RS will always be worth more than the comparable used .2GT3. Secondly GT3 will never be an RS. Of these two points I’m certain. While some RS have been sold by some owners for an mt the choice preference is about 50/50 as to mt vs PDK. You have to really want an mt to give up an .1RS. I’m not aware of many who went from a .1RS to a PDK .2 GT3.
Now is the time to by a .1RS not a .2GT3 imho.
High mileage and track mileage RS still sporting serious asking price for a 2 year old car. Even 997.2 RSs are VERY sensitive to mileage and track use.
If the .2RS is PDK and Porsche has made clear RSs get only PDK since it provides superior performance and is limited as expected with impossible adms and allocation .1RS values will likely go back up.
#55
Nordschleife Master
There's normally a big difference between racing and tracking. I know of tracked GT3's that have happily gone well over 25000 miles on track, which equates to about 300 track hours. Also, the 100h recommendation (but isn't it now something like 180 or 200) relates more to performance and avoiding a DNF than an actual life expectancy. I personally run a 996 Cup which shows no issues at a leakdown after about 80 hours of tracking and racing. I expect to run it beyond 120h compared to the recommended 60 (think even 40 when they were raced in 2004), because I do not care so much about a slight drop in performance.
Second, my assumption is based on PDK only for RS and .2GT3RS limited production which appears likely due to time frames.
Third, your position relies on a different set of events. Yes, if they make 5000 .2GT3 RS and offer mt values of .1RS will be negatively affected. This negative effect will have the same negative effect on .2GT3 for obvious reasons but for sure .1RS will still be worth more than comparable GT3.
By all acccounts they are still pumping out .2GT3 at a pretty good rate and many with mt. Very simply, a lot of .2 GT3 with mt means they will have no special value over Porsche PDK in today’s world especially with PDK superior performance.
#56
Nordschleife Master
There's normally a big difference between racing and tracking. I know of tracked GT3's that have happily gone well over 25000 miles on track, which equates to about 300 track hours. Also, the 100h recommendation (but isn't it now something like 180 or 200) relates more to performance and avoiding a DNF than an actual life expectancy. I personally run a 996 Cup which shows no issues at a leakdown after about 80 hours of tracking and racing. I expect to run it beyond 120h compared to the recommended 60 (think even 40 when they were raced in 2004), because I do not care so much about a slight drop in performance.
Still “tracking” a car has a definite negative impact on value. No question. The more it’s been tracked the more impact to the average buyer. That’s the first question that’s usually asked when a performance car is being sold.
#57
Nordschleife Master
^^Do not disagree with above. I think timing is getting close to pick up a .1 RS; if one so desires. The gamble is how many .2 RSs will they produce. Nobody has a clue right now but I am thinking less than .1. If they still pump out like 5000 of these all bets are off - .1s will drop and certainly below MSRP. Very few will trade their .2 Manual for a PDK RS so it will take many out of the market unless they will buy - as an addition to their .2 GT3. But, one can not over estimate the demand for the RS. Higher price point, very gregarious, and really more track oriented. It will be interesting to see how many .1 GT3s/RSs are still for sale say in June, which, if many- will not bode well for the secondary market prices
#58
Three Wheelin'
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one thing is sure. The comparable used .1RS will always be worth more than the comparable used .2GT3. Secondly GT3 will never be an RS. Of these two points I’m certain. While some RS have been sold by some owners for an mt the choice preference is about 50/50 as to mt vs PDK. You have to really want an mt to give up an .1RS. I’m not aware of many who went from a .1RS to a PDK .2 GT3.
Now is the time to by a .1RS not a .2GT3 imho.
High mileage and track mileage RS still sporting serious asking price for a 2 year old car. Even 997.2 RSs are VERY sensitive to mileage and track use.
If the .2RS is PDK and Porsche has made clear RSs get only PDK since it provides superior performance and is limited as expected with impossible adms and allocation .1RS values will likely go back up.
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There's normally a big difference between racing and tracking. I know of tracked GT3's that have happily gone well over 25000 miles on track, which equates to about 300 track hours. Also, the 100h recommendation (but isn't it now something like 180 or 200) relates more to performance and avoiding a DNF than an actual life expectancy. I personally run a 996 Cup which shows no issues at a leakdown after about 80 hours of tracking and racing. I expect to run it beyond 120h compared to the recommended 60 (think even 40 when they were raced in 2004), because I do not care so much about a slight drop in performance.
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