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Old 01-11-2018, 01:30 PM
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My 2018 GT3 was produced in Sept 2017... nothing new to me. Just like my 2016 GT4 was produced in May 2015.
Old 01-11-2018, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrence
The first surprising thing is that 991.1 GT3RS were built more than 991.1 GT3. The second important take form this chart is that the 991.2 GT3 will be the rarest of recent models if the European magazines' initial reviews last year holds true, stating that Porsche would built 3500 GT3's worldwide as total production. If I remember corrected, it was quoted in several European magazines like Total 911, GT, EVO. Not sure which ones, but I can look them up.
The curse would fall upon all those .2 owners who will forever live in fear of driving their car and forever speculate on the value after every mile driven....
Old 01-11-2018, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
You're referring to the 918s that were produced in 2015? You mean the ones that were called a MY 2015?

http://press.porsche.com/vehicles/20...918-Spyder.pdf
Notice, there is nothing in your reference that uses the term "Model Year" or, even "MY" They simply call it "the 2015" Spyder.

No, I'm referring to this: "The 2014 model year 918 Spyder was produced in a limited series and it was developed in Weissach and assembled in Zuffenhausen. Porsche manufactured 918 units as a 2014 model year and production started on November 18, 2013, with deliveries scheduled to begin in December 2013.[5]
[6] Sales in the United States began in June 2014." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsch..._note-AB1012-5)

Why the reference to 2015 in all the advertisements? I think it's because Porsche would have had a tough sell. That is, telling their million dollar customers, especially in the US, they were buying a 2014 car. The same reason these cars are, today, pretty much, all sold as 2015 cars. A guy got one in 2016. He can sell it as a 2016. Just don't put "MY" in front of it and you're good to go.
Old 01-11-2018, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fuddman
Notice, there is nothing in your reference that uses the term "Model Year" or, even "MY" They simply call it "the 2015" Spyder.

No, I'm referring to this: "The 2014 model year 918 Spyder was produced in a limited series and it was developed in Weissach and assembled in Zuffenhausen. Porsche manufactured 918 units as a 2014 model year and production started on November 18, 2013, with deliveries scheduled to begin in December 2013.[5]
[6] Sales in the United States began in June 2014." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsch..._note-AB1012-5)

Why the reference to 2015 in all the advertisements? I think it's because Porsche would have had a tough sell. That is, telling their million dollar customers, especially in the US, they were buying a 2014 car. The same reason these cars are, today, pretty much, all sold as 2015 cars. A guy got one in 2016. He can sell it as a 2016. Just don't put "MY" in front of it and you're good to go.
Wow, you're incredible. Porsche sold a 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder. Porsche's own documents, which I linked to, document the specs of the 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder, and there are multiple '2015' Spyders for sale right now. That means their titles say '2015' in the model year designation. Run a VIN decoder on any of the 2015's for sale and see what 'Model Year' comes out. Porsche didn't manufacture Spyders in 2015 and call them MY 2014 cars. Why? Because that is not legal in the U.S.

But, you may be right. Your misinterpretation of some poorly worded language on a Wikipedia page is probably more accurate...

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Old 01-11-2018, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by goin2drt
More propaganda and internet hype to try and keep the flipper values and ADMs high. Who gives a crud. In a year the rumors for the 992 GT3 will start and that will be again the best car yet and then the 993...... same old song and dance.
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 8enny8lack
I'm opposite- I always want the perfected last gen stuff, and let the company iron out all the kinks before I get involved... I am SO stoked about my coming .2
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrence
The first surprising thing is that 991.1 GT3RS were built more than 991.1 GT3.
Agree, pretty incredible!
Old 01-11-2018, 06:22 PM
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^And there were nearly as many 991.1GT3RS (6500) as there were ALL variations of the 997 GTs (~7500). Assuming they build ~4000 .2 GT3 and ~3000 .2 GT3.RS (no source and the actual number won't change my point much), that's almost 20k 991 GTs.
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Originally Posted by johnny2five
^And there were nearly as many 991.1GT3RS (6500) as there were ALL variations of the 997 GTs (~7500). Assuming they build ~4000 .2 GT3 and ~3000 .2 GT3.RS (no source and the actual number won't change my point much), that's almost 20k 991 GTs.
Cha-ching!! That's the sound of the register ringing at Porsche AG...at almost 20K GT cars sold.
Old 01-12-2018, 05:02 AM
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Cha-ching!! That's the sound of the register ringing at Porsche AG...at almost 20K GT cars sold.




20k GT sold cars sure sounds material sales and profits for Porsche to me, but heck what do I know I'm just a damn bean counter. BUILD BABY BUILD!!!
Old 01-12-2018, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Wiki numbers are not necessarily accurate, nor complete. Ergo, "not reliable"
Yes I agree, It was the one of the number that looked strange / wrong given standard gt3 numbers. I did have a bit of a search around to see if any other valid info but couldn't find any. Needs a * beside it.
Old 01-12-2018, 06:51 AM
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Old 01-12-2018, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Akunob


Cha-ching!! That's the sound of the register ringing at Porsche AG...at almost 20K GT cars sold.
Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
20k GT sold cars sure sounds material sales and profits for Porsche to me, but heck what do I know I'm just a damn bean counter. BUILD BABY BUILD!!!
Obviously, you gents know more than anyone else, but just keep in mind that that 20k GT cars number (even if accurate) is for a 4, maybe 5, year period (2013-17, or 2018). In any given single year, Porsche delivers something on the magnitude of 250,000 cars worldwide (give or take a few thousand). So in that same 4 year period, PAG will have delivered on the magnitude of about 1 million cars, while delivering something like 20K GT cars?

I'll leave the math, and the materiality, to those who count beans.
Old 01-12-2018, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Obviously, you gents know more than anyone else, but just keep in mind that that 20k GT cars number (even if accurate) is for a 4, maybe 5, year period (2013-17, or 2018). In any given single year, Porsche delivers something on the magnitude of 250,000 cars worldwide (give or take a few thousand). So in that same 4 year period, PAG will have delivered on the magnitude of about 1 million cars, while delivering something like 20K GT cars?

I'll leave the math, and the materiality, to those who count beans.
At an average price of $175k per car and 15% margin, that's $3.5 billion in revenue and $525 million in operating profit. Even over 4-5 years, that's still a lot of beans and material to any automotive manufacturer.
Old 01-12-2018, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
At an average price of $175k per car and 15% margin, that's $3.5 billion in revenue and $525 million in operating profit. Even over 4-5 years, that's still a lot of beans and material to any automotive manufacturer.
No doubt. In the absolute those are astronomical numbers, be they accurate or not.

But PAG generates over something like 24 billion in revenue in a single year (based on 2016 figures and current exchange rates).

So in context take those numbers as you see fit.


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