C.J. Ichiban

Tell me where i can buy a 220k msrp RS for 195 and i will go buy it right now

sechsgang

This, but math wise it's still a good deal (depending on MSRP of the RS) or easily landing an RS. The dealer will probably be able to get 10k over on his at the end of the day (especially once the initial ADM prices shrink as less people pay it for cars they haven't specced with an owner on it already). And don't mind taking that out of the RS price to make that normal.

kfmcmahon

right, but it sounded like goin2drt thought OP was getting $25k (ie $25k over MSRP for a 991.2 GT3)

sechsgang

Haha, now THAT would be the best thing ever!

goin2drt

Waxer

Interesting. What about the .2GT3 is superior to the .1RS? Solid lifters? Point me to the problem with the .1RS 4.0 as I may have missed it. Point me to a failure. I may have missed it. Point me to where F. Walliser's statements that the .1RS 4.0 does not have the parts from the same supplier that created the issues that created the 3.8 issues which were manufacturing defects in some of the FF shipments. Point me to anything that provides any question that the .1RS 4.0 is not a great engine.

Beyond that lets talk other special items...Carbon bits and fenders and lids? RS, check. Special magnesium roof. RS, check. Better aero? RS check. Wider front and rear track. RS check. Aggresive mechanical GT/RS sounds not sanitized out. RS check. More agressive killer looks? RS check. Being an RS? RS check.

Did I miss something?

RS always (ALWAYS) > than GT3.

Quikag

I LOVE my .2 PDK but I’d take a .1 RS with 1100 miles at $25k below MSRP in a heartbeat.

Jimmy-D

Lets be clear. An RS is an RS. My Lexus GS 350 is a GS 350. My .2 GT3 is a .2 GT3. WE can all agree on these statements. The reason I do not have an RS is the wing looks attached, the car looks too big, the turbo scoops are ugly, and I do not actually prefer the wider body. To each their own. But - the reason the .2 GT3 does not have the RS engine is because Porsche has improved the 4.0 from lessons learned over the past 5 years from both the street version GT cars and, most importantly, the Cup cars. So- no doubt the engine is going to be superior. It may not have more horsepower but I will bet you, in the long term, it will handle more abuse and the life span of the engine has been lengthened. Plus, almost every journalist has commented that they can feel the difference and feel the .2 engine may be the best yet

Waxer

I'll just leave this here. Maybe it helps.

Waxer

Your nuts! Go get the RS my friend you'll thank me tomorrow. $220K msrp!!!! Unless there is something wrong with the car. If it checks out on Car Fax and is pre-owned certified go get it!.

I look towards tomorrow. Not the herd stampeed today. Yeah, now everyone's gotta have the "new" 4.0 and losing sight of fact the .1RS 4.0 is killer, goes like stink and is reliable as a anvil and every GT3/RS car previously had hydraulics. Tomorrow you say??? Yes. Just look at the ADMs they want on the .2GT3 now. $15K to $25K. It's not even an RS. Look at the ADM's they wanted on the .1GT3. Look at the huge ADMs commanded by the .1RS and they still go for $15K or so over today depending on spec and mileage. Not enough for you? Look at the GT2RS. Go find one. I won't hold my breath though. Now go find one without an ADM. ROFLMAO. Going rate is what?...$450K. Its not even supposed to be a limited production unit.

You want a .2GT3RS you say? MSRP will likely be around $195K base. They will be limited production based on timing alone due to the 992 entries now coming. If you are lucky enough to get an allocation (not just promised an allocation) you still have to keep your fingers crossed you won't get banged with an ADM. My guess is the ADM's will be around $150K. Oh, you want my .1RS at that point? Its a $210K msrp car. No problem. $250K please. Wait, its got a $7000 Xpel satin wrap. $257K.

goin2drt

FTW. the debate can continue but neither are right which one is better, it is subjective. And to think the .2 is superior (if you believe that), great for now and then the next GT motor will be superior and so on and so on. I think we have a few facts missing as the OP hasn't cleared a few things up. What exactly can he get the RS for and what is the MSRP, what is he getting for the .2 vs MSRP. If this is a what is a better decision "financially" then we need to know that. If money doesn't matter and the OP is just deciding between the two, no one here is going to answer that for him. It is a subjective and personal choice only he can make. Neither is a bad choice.

Waxer

Jimmy: Every engine is improved over the last generation but alot is marketing hooey. There were definitely issues with a fair number of 3.8's but not all will have the issue. As per Walliser not all 3.8 were afflicted as the problem came down to a manufacturing defect in the FF from the supplier. Per Walliser the .1RS 4.0 does not have the issue that affected some of the 3.8's. Moreover all previous generation GT3/RS were hydraulic valved. The Mezger is legendary still today. The .1RS lump has proven bullet proof.

The .1RS lump ran in the '15/16 GT3R with various expected mods for racing. I recently have varified this with some race teams that owned them and ran them and advised those that argued with me of this via PM. It ran flawlessly. Anyone thinking their .2GT3 has the same engine as in the actual RSR is playing make believe. Same basic engine but "alot" of differences and mods. You would need to spend multiple times the price of a .2GT3 just to buy an RSR engine.

The .2GT3 4.0 has "improvements" yes. Great engine. World class. The .1 RS 4.0 is also a great engine and world class. It has the same warranty and provides the same real world fun, thrill, engine life as far as we know and enjoyment as the .2 4.0. Actually provides the mechanical GT car sounds that have now been scubbed away in the .2 from the sound track that gave GT cars much of their character.

Looks are subjective. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. No?

BryanCO

Jimmy-D

I think the RS is a great car- no question. And the 4.0 in the .1 RS and R is World Class. Is the RS a better car than the .2- NO. It the .2 a better car than the RS - NO. But, the 4.0 in the .2 GT3 has taken another step forward. My bet is the 4.0 in the .2 RS will take it up a notch in HP and redline because there is still a lot more left in the new 4.0 that they can get out of it. It has been mentioned they can get over 600 HP out of this new engine.

Now, for me, it comes down to looks- not functionality because I do not track. I like the cleaner lines of the GT3 and the way the wing looks like it was sculpted along with the body simultaneously. So- I would not buy and RS over a GT3
even if it was $10,000 less because looks are also important to me. But- I do not look the other way when I see an RS on the road. It is a menacing looking car and has such a presence. I think the new GT2 RS is just ridiculous looking but I can not wait to see it live. It looks like a monster and I can appreciate the Frankenstein it is. When that car pulls up next to you at red light- it will be hard not to just admire it for what it is.- a BEAST.

I love all Porsches. Who does not if you are a true car fanatic. There is just so much history/heritage.

Jimmy-D

Just a beauty