No big deal, I just think it is funny because I got a lot of flak for offering ADM to get the car I wanted. I also do my best to share info about cars available at whatever ADM as I believe transparency in the market helps buyers more than sellers.

I think I said it initially and it remains true, I rather pay ADM than do what it takes to be a “good customer” and get an allocation at MSRP.

Let’s just get back on topic and leave the personal digs aside.

CJ, thanks for your info and transparency.

C.J.,

If someone buys your 911 S cabriolet and your Panamera ST, are they *guaranteed* a Speedster allocation?

Thank you!
CW

I get this completely, why buy a car anywhere else?

Have your clients responded well to this? Obviously James (above) supports it, too. With such uncertainty, I would never have thought a buyer would agree to that. Maybe other dealers should do the same rather than charge market prices? It would be hugely beneficial to the dealers who are stuck with aged, undesirable inventory. And if clients prefer this, then everyone wins. Buy XX and YY and maybe I’ll give you a GT allocation if other things fall into place. If nothing else, It demonstrates loyalty from the buyer to your store.

At first glance, it seems very risky to the buyer and would lead to some heated, difficult conversations. But I fully admit I don’t have the experience you have with this particular process.

Thanks! I appreciate the level-headed conversation.

It’s pretty common in my experience. In fact, that is the deal my dealer offered me (buy car(s), get PTS GT3 at MSRP — we just agreed to a reasonable ADM instead as I did not want the other cars “what will you give me on trade 5minutes from now” was my pitch.). As long as it is in writing, seems sensible for buyer, especially if you want the other car(s). Even if you don’t, maybe you can find someone who does at a discount which you fund (at worst wholesaler). Lots of ways to get to the same spot which is a deal buyer and dealer are happy with.

It is the ferrari model (at least it used to be). Buy a used Ferrari over sticker or a four seat Ferrari and a Maserati for your wife and you can have a 430. Do that a number of times and you get a special Ferrari.

Another model is trade in your desirable car, but do so at much less than trade in value.

I am sure there are some that still have a list and that list is first come first served, but even most of those have caveats (prior deals, locals only, trade required, buy Xpel and warranties etc.). The ones that don’t I think are not running their business very well.

I rather do deals one off, but for the dealer the other methods means more sales, not just more money. Of course, those dealers could get more sales by using my ADM money to increase discounts.

Back on topic, I want a speedster, amd I want it in green (I can probably live with black), and I like my dealer a lot, but that preference is limited somewhat by price, so CW or CJ or anyone else, offer me a deal. As long as you are upfront about how it works (I have no doubt about CJ or CW), I am game.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. So you’d rather just pay the ADM instead of being forced to buy two cars you don’t want if that was the choice presented to you. I initially thought that, as well. But I know C.J. has a very loyal following on RL, so I’m thinking maybe others prefer his process.

Back on topic, do you have a speedster for me CW? . I promise I will drive it home non-stop from Chicago.

Correct I preferred just paying ADM, but only because I did not want/need the other cars that my dealer wanted to move at that time. Had they had a MT base 911 (or MT C2S cab or something with three pedals) they were looking to move, I would have taken it and driven it until my car arrived. I think that is what dealers are after (I don’t want to speak for CJ), but I interpret it as someone happy to drive a C2S cab until the speedster arrives and give the panny to a spouse or use as a daily or something. All that makes good sense, it was when I was offered the deal just I did not want a panny — I love my Jag too much. In fact, without even having a firm deal, I ordered a C2 (because I would have been happy with a C2 until I could upgrade to a GT3 and I needed my color to go to feasibility — that did not work out). But really it makes no difference straight ADM or some other permutation, I would buy six Kias it that is what my dealer wanted, I just do the math as to what it costs me to buy and sell and translate that to ADM. As I said, money is fungible. The advatange of the buy other cars get GT car at MSRP is that, for a lot of people, they want the other cars too, and for the dealer it means more sales and more local cars to service and have come back on trade. You can see how this works, especially for those who cycle through cars quite a bit as a number of RL members do.

Anyway, when does the speedster configurator go online? I need to submit my build so at least I get some swag.

I’d love to hear you and doc dog chat about the speedster in detail on throttle dogs.

The fact that not everyone can buy one is what makes people want them even more. Porsche knows that, they know how brand value is created and why they make huge profits.