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Old 04-09-2019, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by catpat8000
Hey if I thought I could score a Speedster at or close to MSRP, I would definitely do so. I do think the GT3 somehow ended up as the tulip mania of 2018/19 but that doesn't mean they aren't tons of fun to drive
Long term (10-30 yrs) I see the 991 GT3 and NA 991 models in general doing well and I don't mean as investments but as being able to hold on to some value over time say fifty percent or so which imho is pretty good for an old auto. Yes, no mileage units, like new will continue to hold onto a substantial part of their value imho. My feelings about limited edition mass produced autos is that usually the transaction is more about a relationship than it is about a simple monetary exchange.
Old 04-09-2019, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanrabelais
Long term (10-30 yrs) I see the 991 GT3 and NA 991 models in general doing well and I don't mean as investments but as being able to hold on to some value over time say fifty percent or so which imho is pretty good for an old auto. Yes, no mileage units, like new will continue to hold onto a substantial part of their value imho. My feelings about limited edition mass produced autos is that usually the transaction is more about a relationship than it is about a simple monetary exchange.
With dealers there is no such thing as a relationship, there is only money. Sometimes the dealers try to disguise money as a part of a solid 'relationship' but that's clearly duplicitous. You wouldn't call a friend a friend if you had to pay him or her to hang out. You'd call them a prostitute.
Old 04-09-2019, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by catpat8000
With dealers there is no such thing as a relationship, there is only money. Sometimes the dealers try to disguise money as a part of a solid 'relationship' but that's clearly duplicitous. You wouldn't call a friend a friend if you had to pay him or her to hang out. You'd call them a prostitute.
Must be great to live in such a black and white world. It's over-determined imho. With money being the great equalizer, then I'd just say that being nice and relating in earnest can not hurt? BUT TRUST ME I KNOW HOW YOU MIGHT FEEL THIS WAY. Car Dealers as a group don't have a great reputation but there are still some great dealerships IMHO. Some people name them here. I'll give Manhattan Motor Cars a Thumbs Up right here right now.
Old 04-10-2019, 01:40 AM
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Old 04-10-2019, 02:13 AM
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That’s the prototype photo in black and white.
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good catch on the fake news
Old 04-10-2019, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by catpat8000
This is what my dealership said in response to my queries:

"1948 worldwide to be exact with about 500 coming to the USA. We should be getting maybe 4 or 5.
This car is demanding a massive premium of $150,000 over MSRP.
We think that the MSRP will be in the range of 200-250k."
expect ~685 for N.A. and 10-15% of those being destined for Canada. We expect a $250k (USD) base msrp and up to $100k in options with heritage, meaning a fully loaded speedster should fetch up to a half million in the states at launch.
Old 04-10-2019, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dot23RS
expect ~685 for N.A. and 10-15% of those being destined for Canada. We expect a $250k (USD) base msrp and up to $100k in options with heritage, meaning a fully loaded speedster should fetch up to a half million in the states at launch.
I doubt it will be more than a GT2RS...
Old 04-10-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dot23RS
expect ~685 for N.A. and 10-15% of those being destined for Canada. We expect a $250k (USD) base msrp and up to $100k in options with heritage, meaning a fully loaded speedster should fetch up to a half million in the states at launch.
911 R, take #2 (topless edition). To be followed by GT3 Touring Cab with zero-PITA auto-top at 1/3 the price. Get 2 while they're hot!
Old 04-10-2019, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dot23RS
expect ~685 for N.A. and 10-15% of those being destined for Canada. We expect a $250k (USD) base msrp and up to $100k in options with heritage, meaning a fully loaded speedster should fetch up to a half million in the states at launch.
The price alone will define the pool quite a bit if this is the case. We are approaching Ferrari price numbers now and this will also narrow the pool a bit imho because those in a market for curvy 2 seater speed auto will have choices. It will be the Porsche Enthusiast/collector that will be the end users for this speedster.

Personally, I'm conflicted. I hate Nostalgia, but I love these new Porsches and think they are very special. I'm the kid who played in the 356 in the drive way... Never had a Ferrari. A lot of you here have had the pleasure of owning both. But that's just me. Everything about this speedster is genius inho.
Old 04-10-2019, 11:27 AM
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I was hoping to get one of these but reading some of the comments above my heart sinks. So the last time a premium was charged here in our country it was for the GT3 RS, both 991.1 and 991.2. It was about 25% extra over the price shown on the local version of the website. It caused quite some dismay. But guys went ahead (I like the tulip mania reference above) and forked out the extra.

So fast forward to today and those cars are coming up for resale. And guess what? That 25% is the stumbling block as the purchasers become sellers and find that 25% is what their cars are overpriced by in the market.

So there is no way at all that I am paying over list. Also 1948 cars is hardly a handful. My bet is that soon enough they will be available at more reasonable levels as folks realise the ride is little more than an ordinary GT3, which is plenty nice already. Twice the price of a GT3 is just too expensive, sorry....

And then there is that rear lid....
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Originally Posted by hf1
911 R, take #2 (topless edition). To be followed by GT3 Touring Cab with zero-PITA auto-top at 1/3 the price. Get 2 while they're hot!
Do we know that the Speedster will be a manual top?
Old 04-10-2019, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by redyps
Do we know that the Speedster will be a manual top?
yes, rumor has it.
Old 04-10-2019, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by redyps
Do we know that the Speedster will be a manual top?
I’ve heard automatic, but we should know for sure in a couple,of weeks.
Old 04-11-2019, 12:22 AM
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This car is going to be absolutely stunning and legendary. The long sweeping rear trunk design with the other unique modern classic styling attributes will be extraordinary. If it is limited to 1948 units, a very important year for the brand, and it is the last open top naturally aspirated flat six with a manual transmission, this will be one of the most significant cars Porsche will ever make. The driving experience will be remarkable and likely the last of a dying breed deserving of a high after market price.


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