GT2 RS ... where is the value going?
06-14-2018, 05:00 PM
#31
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The next GT2 RS will be even better than this one. It is a turbo charged engine with pdk, both of which will keep improving. This car is so over rated. Let the suckers buy one. I will be able to pick up a bubble wrapped one in 5-10 yrs for half price unless everything goes electric/hybrid.
06-14-2018, 06:07 PM
#32
The next GT2 RS will be even better than this one. It is a turbo charged engine with pdk, both of which will keep improving. This car is so over rated. Let the suckers buy one. I will be able to pick up a bubble wrapped one in 5-10 yrs for half price unless everything goes electric/hybrid.
06-14-2018, 07:53 PM
#33
Three Wheelin'
I think you are on the money on initial production of the GT2RS in USA. Even though it is not numbered, production will be limited due to capacity, supplier issues, etc. Since the previous GT2 was produced in 2010-2011, the next iteration after the 991 GT2RS will be after five or six years plus depending on how many they really make will determine what value the 991 GT2RS will retain at that point.
For now we will see "Ordering Mistakes", a pretty costly one indeed.
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
LINK - Ordering Mistake:
Ordering MIstake
For now we will see "Ordering Mistakes", a pretty costly one indeed.
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
LINK - Ordering Mistake:
Ordering MIstake
So a $100k profit margin car at $325k WP msrp, unlimited build (say 6x the # of 7.GT2RS), is going to hit & hold the ask@ $425K+ after initial 1-2 yr hysteria? On anything outside bubble wrap zero mile cars, I'd love to take the other side of that trade on CME margin. Also, really don't think people appreciate the difference between those who can afford the $150-200k run of mill GT3/RS vs those that can afford a $350k+ Weissach (w/tax). The vast majority of demographic who can properly afford a $350k car, simply find that to be silly $ for a vehicle. Even the slightest wiff of a slowdown, MSRP and below for driven cars by 2021 with this anticipated production volume. You don't get to apply 7.2 RS 4.0(600), 911R (911), 7.2 GT2RS(500) price metrics.
06-15-2018, 01:48 AM
#34
I have no interest in turbo cars so not sure I'd buy one for under MSRP.
06-15-2018, 02:08 AM
#35
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06-15-2018, 02:37 AM
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06-15-2018, 02:26 PM
#37
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06-15-2018, 06:37 PM
#38
As the famous last words in real estate spoken back in 2006....buy now or be priced out forever. haha
06-15-2018, 09:37 PM
#39
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Wiki WW productoin figures on 3RS over stated. WW production is around 3500.
3RS does have motorsport derived engine. '15GT3R. Fact.
991.2 GT3RS likely will be very hard to get. Limited production time and run. Last of the 991RS yaddy yaddy and all that. Likely MSRP approx. $30K more than 991.1 GT3RS base. With limited production expect going prices with ADM $330K.
991.1GT3RS will be a bargain at $250K.
3RS does have motorsport derived engine. '15GT3R. Fact.
991.2 GT3RS likely will be very hard to get. Limited production time and run. Last of the 991RS yaddy yaddy and all that. Likely MSRP approx. $30K more than 991.1 GT3RS base. With limited production expect going prices with ADM $330K.
991.1GT3RS will be a bargain at $250K.
All these value threads are getting old. Who cares what your car is worth, are you using it? If not sell it and the value is what somebody will pay you for it. Modern cars are not collectibles as much as we would like to think. Hell, in 30 years you may not be able to drive an unassisted car on public roads, right about the time they become classics. What’s the value of the car then, when they have the wide spread appeal and allure of steam locomotives today?
06-16-2018, 06:37 AM
#40
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I used to like the collecting aspect of the car hobby because it was fun to find hidden nuggets of incredible value that the market hadn't appreciated yet. And, worst case scenario, very little downside enjoying a car that is fun today.
The value/collecting aspect of the hobby has flipped to be negative to the overall experience for me. There are no hidden nuggets of value, prices are insane (new or classic), there's tons of downside and 'everyone' is a car investment genius. That piece of it has lost its appeal to the point I almost reject buying low-mile, pristine cars now in favor of well-worn examples my goal is to make higher mile examples. I respect and am in awe of well maintained but rock-chipped, worn, high mileage blue chip examples. THEY are becoming the scarce examples in the market! I want to meet the guy that owns a 50kmi CGT AND see the car. That's appealing to me now.
Anyway, I drifted somewhat OT. But i used to love hunting for and buying somewhat "undiscovered/under-priced" cars. That piece of the fun is gone for me now. Now it's how much capital and cost do i want/need to tie up to have access to the variety of driving experience I want? How few and what combination of cars can I get away with to maximize variety of experience and minimize hassle/depreciation/upkeep.
The value/collecting aspect of the hobby has flipped to be negative to the overall experience for me. There are no hidden nuggets of value, prices are insane (new or classic), there's tons of downside and 'everyone' is a car investment genius. That piece of it has lost its appeal to the point I almost reject buying low-mile, pristine cars now in favor of well-worn examples my goal is to make higher mile examples. I respect and am in awe of well maintained but rock-chipped, worn, high mileage blue chip examples. THEY are becoming the scarce examples in the market! I want to meet the guy that owns a 50kmi CGT AND see the car. That's appealing to me now.
Anyway, I drifted somewhat OT. But i used to love hunting for and buying somewhat "undiscovered/under-priced" cars. That piece of the fun is gone for me now. Now it's how much capital and cost do i want/need to tie up to have access to the variety of driving experience I want? How few and what combination of cars can I get away with to maximize variety of experience and minimize hassle/depreciation/upkeep.
06-16-2018, 07:41 PM
#41
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....ile, pristine cars now in favor of well-worn examples my goal is to make higher mile examples. I respect and am in awe of well maintained but rock-chipped, worn, high mileage blue chip examples. THEY are becoming the scarce examples in the market! I want to meet the guy that owns a 50kmi CGT AND see the car. That's appealing to me now.
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and i think i will have a high mile CGT in short time. i bought it with 2420 miles. it's 35xx now.
and dont u ever sell that black 997
08-19-2018, 12:31 PM
#42
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What if they produce a large number of GT2RS?
Allocations are opening back up at a local dealership and it makes one wonder how large the volumes truly are.
This may end up not being a rare car depending on numbers
Allocations are opening back up at a local dealership and it makes one wonder how large the volumes truly are.
This may end up not being a rare car depending on numbers
08-19-2018, 12:41 PM
#43
source? Porsche themselves admit over 5000 991.1 RS, well posted here.
All these value threads are getting old. Who cares what your car is worth, are you using it? If not sell it and the value is what somebody will pay you for it. Modern cars are not collectibles as much as we would like to think. Hell, in 30 years you may not be able to drive an unassisted car on public roads, right about the time they become classics. What’s the value of the car then, when they have the wide spread appeal and allure of steam locomotives today?
08-19-2018, 12:47 PM
#44
Three Wheelin'
That is a big "IF." Where is/are the allocations opening up? That is make believe. If so, then why are these ADMs these crazy $150K to 250K? GT2RS have no perceived continuance of production through 2019.
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
08-19-2018, 12:50 PM
#45
I'm confused: You said earlier if one has a black car, sell it. Now, don't sell it. Is the current solution of owning a black car to wrap it 100% and the problem of keeping it up (incl. swirl marks, etc.) goes away? I'm curious as I've never owned a black car but thinking that film is the answer.