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MerlinsGarage 11-14-2017 02:02 PM

991R vs 991.2 GT3 Touring
 
Although it may be a bit premature, I am very interested to see this comparison.

Since it is unlikely I will ever get to drive an "R" I want to see how close I can get with the Touring model.

Best,

Bret.

Golden Boy 11-14-2017 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by MerlinsGarage (Post 14603627)
Although it may be a bit premature, I am very interested to see this comparison.

Since it is unlikely I will ever get to drive an "R" I want to see how close I can get with the Touring model.

Best,

Bret.


touring has the better engine. No comparison in my opinion

Jon70 11-14-2017 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by Golden Boy (Post 14603634)
touring has the better engine. No comparison in my opinion

Agreed. I think one of the reasons Porsche made the touring version is to drop the R prices.

_fletch 11-14-2017 03:30 PM

It would be great if one of the mags/video channels did a head to head comparison - even of the winged GT3 vs the R.

Agreed the engine in the .2 looks to be amazing, but the R has a lot of additional weight savings. I think a proper comparison would be interesting.

sechsgang 11-14-2017 08:04 PM

My touring comes in December, I'll compare it with my R if the weather cooperates in the Northeast at that time. FWIW, no one that I've talked to who has both the new GT3 and the R (obv not touring but still 991.2 manual) has mentioned anything about the new motor FEELING any better or more special as of yet other than being generally awesome as GT3 motors always are. Then again, any of us who have had a 997.2 RS (3.8) still thinks that motor was more fun than the newer variants...

_fletch 11-14-2017 08:20 PM

Looking forward to your thoughts! I envy you having both!

stout 11-14-2017 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by _fletch (Post 14603862)
It would be great if one of the mags/video channels did a head to head comparison - even of the winged GT3 vs the R.

Agreed the engine in the .2 looks to be amazing, but the R has a lot of additional weight savings. I think a proper comparison would be interesting.

Fwiw, we did just that for 000 Magazine last summer, .2 GT3 MT with 911R manual on the great roads of the Eiffel region.

Was a very fun couple of days...

evilfij 11-14-2017 09:24 PM

I am most interested in the weight difference between two similarly equipped cars. It can’t be much saved going from aluminium to CF on the few body parts.

sechsgang 11-14-2017 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by stout (Post 14604613)
Fwiw, we did just that for 000 Magazine last summer, .2 GT3 MT with 911R manual on the great roads of the Eiffel region.

Was a very fun couple of days...

Sounds like a hell of a time!

Jimmy-D 11-15-2017 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by evilfij (Post 14604681)
I am most interested in the weight difference between two similarly equipped cars. It can’t be much saved going from aluminium to CF on the few body parts.

Very little. But you can make a car feel lighter with lighter clutch, manipulating steering and suspension with a different program/purpose

Drifting 11-15-2017 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by Jimmy-D (Post 14605084)
Very little. But you can make a car feel lighter with lighter clutch, manipulating steering and suspension with a different program/purpose

And the weight difference between a 911R vs a European spec .2 manual GT3 touring ordered with the same lighter options, is only 20lbs.

Not worth an extra $200,000, IMHO.

991gtR 11-15-2017 03:19 AM

i have the new gt3 and 911 r . ill let ya know

DK7 11-15-2017 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by sechsgang (Post 14604514)
. Then again, any of us who have had a 997.2 RS (3.8) still thinks that motor was more fun than the newer variants...

Funny, same thoughts;)
For me 997.2 RS is the pinnacle.

_fletch 11-15-2017 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Drifting (Post 14605094)
And the weight difference between a 911R vs a European spec .2 manual GT3 touring ordered with the same lighter options, is only 20lbs.

Not worth an extra $200,000, IMHO.

Is this correct? A quick check on google found GT3 MT was 1413kg (3,109lbs) and R was 3,021lbs making a difference of 87lbs. TBH I actually thought it was a bigger difference (like 180lbs) but 87lbs is still quite a lot.

928cs 11-15-2017 08:47 AM

991 R: 1370 kg
991 GT3 4.0 MT:1413 kg

The R is without AC and it seems to weight 15kg.

So 1385 kg vs 1413 kg.
I don't think that you can really feel the difference.

But the difference in RWS program can certainly be felt.


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