randr

I would love to see the comparison between the 1390Kg 997 GT3 RS 4l NA (460Nm and 500PS) and the 991.2 GT3 4l NA.

Jimmy-D

^Agree but i think the 997 may have finally met its match. The problem is trying to get a non bias comparison.

Drifting

Those are the base weights of both cars. The base weight of the R includes LWB, PCCB, and radio delete, the .2 GT3 manual does not.

If you order a European spec .2 manual GT3T with LWB, PCCB, radio delete, that car would be only around 25 lbs heavier than an R.

Drifting

I would love to see a good auto journalist, who doesn’t own either car, do a companion of a RS 4.0 997 vs a manual .2 winged GT3.

Power should be very similar although the torque curves aren’t identical, downforce is similar.

Would likely come to down to faster lap times in the .2 GT3 due to its wider footprint, RWS, and improved suspension, vs the greater feel and involvement of the shorter wheelbase and hydraulic steering in the RS 4.0.

MerlinsGarage

I feel both cars are making suitable power. So suspension tuning and ultimately ride/handling quality at less than track use would be helpful.
What some car mags refer to as "Best Driver's Car".

Stockholm996TT

Drifting: I am sorry, but that is incorrect. Porsche always states their weights in the cars lightest possible spec with 90% full fuel tank (this has been covered in many previous threads). According to the factory, the 911 R in ist lightest possible spec weighs 1370 kg. Similarly, the 991.2 GT3 (manual) in ist lightest possible spec weighs 1413 kg.

This means that there will at least be 43 kg weight difference between the two cars (if you leave the R plain). If you spec the 991.2 GT3 with clubsport package and steel brakes the difference will more like 75 kg.

evilfij

R you could get AC delete and when the GT3 was announced along with the weight there was no radio delete option. The former has to be a fairly sizable chunk of the difference and, if I am right about the latter, they get much closer.

fxz

AC Radio delete PCCB MT
R Vs Touring
and difference is 12/15kg

btw that winged gt3 clubsport at 250kmh has a big sense or really do you think R stripes can do it as well???

Stockholm996TT

I am sorry, but that is also incorrect. See my post above. The stated weight, also of the GT3.2, is for a car in its lightest possible spec and with 90% full tank (and all other fluids).

In order to get to 1413 kg on a GT3.2 you would need to spec the car as follows:
- manual transmission
- PCCB
- no clubsport
- radio delete
- AC delete
- fixed back carbon seats
- small fuel tank
- no other options

I would assume that very few spec their GT3 like that so the real world weight difference will be more like 50-70 kg...

fxz

just wondering AC delete is not an option on Touring so not accounted in published weight

928cs

I don't think that it is possible to order a GT3 without AC.

Also, I'm not sure that the fixed back carbon seats are lighter than the folding ones.

isv

^ this. Weights are always in the lightest possible spec including option deletes.

evilfij

AC delete is what? 20kg push or shove? Another 8kg for radio delete which was not available on the GT3 when the GT3 weight was published. 15kg difference sounds about right for the CF and mag parts on the R.

fxz

^exactly

destaccado

Ya...because there's so many R's running around with no radios and A/C

There's no way there's a 50-70 kg difference between an R and a GT3 touring when optioned the same. A magnesium roof doesn't drop that much weight.


In fairness though; every kg probably helps when you're pushing an R down the side of the road after the beta-tester motor blows up.