991R vs 991.2 GT3 Touring
12-23-2017, 06:01 AM
#166
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The people selling them for 100k less than six months ago probably care...we're down to 300k on Autoscout now.
...and I find driving in France to suck - give me Germany every day. I wonder if any other place on earth has more speeding cameras than France? I paid 45 euros for 2 kmph over (maybe more like 5 after the tolerance).
...and I find driving in France to suck - give me Germany every day. I wonder if any other place on earth has more speeding cameras than France? I paid 45 euros for 2 kmph over (maybe more like 5 after the tolerance).
very happy you had to pay ! Very funny.
12-23-2017, 06:14 AM
#167
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The people selling them for 100k less than six months ago probably care...we're down to 300k on Autoscout now.
...and I find driving in France to suck - give me Germany every day. I wonder if any other place on earth has more speeding cameras than France? I paid 45 euros for 2 kmph over (maybe more like 5 after the tolerance).
...and I find driving in France to suck - give me Germany every day. I wonder if any other place on earth has more speeding cameras than France? I paid 45 euros for 2 kmph over (maybe more like 5 after the tolerance).
nothing to append.
12-23-2017, 08:57 AM
#168
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Pfft, talking about cost and price is so bourgeois. I and my noblemen friends never discuss it -- we just enjoy things. Why couldn't everyone just be like us? 
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12-23-2017, 05:46 PM
#169
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Folks I have deleted a bunch of posts from destaccado for reasons which I suspect are obvious to everyone but him. Like the rest of you I much appreciate the perspective of people who own and driver the R as well as the new GT3. On the other hand, polluting this thread with way too many posts trying to convince people that one view point is the only valid one is well ... to damn much.
Regards,
Regards,
12-23-2017, 05:49 PM
#170
Three Wheelin'
Thank you so kindly Sir!
Have a Merry Christmas and a very Prosperous Happy New Year!
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
Have a Merry Christmas and a very Prosperous Happy New Year!
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
Folks I have deleted a bunch of posts from destaccado for reasons which I suspect are obvious to everyone but him. Like the rest of you I much appreciate the perspective of people who own and driver the R as well as the new GT3. On the other hand, polluting this thread with way too many posts trying to convince people that one view point is the only valid one is well ... to damn much.
Regards,
Regards,
12-23-2017, 05:57 PM
#171
This week I had the chance to drive my R, my 4.0RS, a 550 Maranello, a 2018 GTS manual, a GT4, 964RS and a 2018 GT3. No BS- this is my job, it's fun and I had interested customers in all the cars or was doing initial shake down drives to assess tire balance, suspension bushings, etc.
They all make really good power, or noise, or both. They are all good collectable type cars for the future for various reasons.
The 4.0 and the R both have the lightweight flywheel which does lead to a slightly different feeling from the 2018 cars, the GT3 and GTS.
Driving the GTS and GT3 back to back is very interesting. I even specced them the same- sapphire/ manual /ceramics. They have very similar acceleration and although the hardcore womp of 9k rpms was not on the menu (break in miles) the differences are subtle and not massive. A base 911 is a huge gulf to a GTS or GT3. Huge. But, the top of a mountain is only so tall.
The noise from the R and Gt3 is not equal in the sense that the R with the lightweight flywheel makes more "noise" from clatter and rattle vs the GT3 which is a cleaner, more narrow or "bright" noise. Making noise, being loud...not equal terms.
For audiophiles- or guitarists- the R is a Fender Strat and the GT3 is a Les Paul. The R makes more ancillary noises or ALLOWS more ancillary noises. Some faint distortion, or muddier. The R feels livelier simply due to the flywheel and spring rates. The weight difference is minimal (both have buckets) and mostly down to spec (radio delete in R vs GT3 bose, R without nose lift. )
The 964RS and the R, are the closest cars spritually. The 4.0 stands alone as it's own animal. It feels less tame than any of the others.
The GT3 feels like a cyborg compared to a 964.RS. The GTS is REALLY good if you spec it right and as an alternative to a GT3 touring, the GTS has more torque and will be a better 'touring' car with 18 ways vs a GT3T with buckets.
They all make really good power, or noise, or both. They are all good collectable type cars for the future for various reasons.
The 4.0 and the R both have the lightweight flywheel which does lead to a slightly different feeling from the 2018 cars, the GT3 and GTS.
Driving the GTS and GT3 back to back is very interesting. I even specced them the same- sapphire/ manual /ceramics. They have very similar acceleration and although the hardcore womp of 9k rpms was not on the menu (break in miles) the differences are subtle and not massive. A base 911 is a huge gulf to a GTS or GT3. Huge. But, the top of a mountain is only so tall.
The noise from the R and Gt3 is not equal in the sense that the R with the lightweight flywheel makes more "noise" from clatter and rattle vs the GT3 which is a cleaner, more narrow or "bright" noise. Making noise, being loud...not equal terms.
For audiophiles- or guitarists- the R is a Fender Strat and the GT3 is a Les Paul. The R makes more ancillary noises or ALLOWS more ancillary noises. Some faint distortion, or muddier. The R feels livelier simply due to the flywheel and spring rates. The weight difference is minimal (both have buckets) and mostly down to spec (radio delete in R vs GT3 bose, R without nose lift. )
The 964RS and the R, are the closest cars spritually. The 4.0 stands alone as it's own animal. It feels less tame than any of the others.
The GT3 feels like a cyborg compared to a 964.RS. The GTS is REALLY good if you spec it right and as an alternative to a GT3 touring, the GTS has more torque and will be a better 'touring' car with 18 ways vs a GT3T with buckets.
12-23-2017, 06:04 PM
#172
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Folks I have deleted a bunch of posts from destaccado for reasons which I suspect are obvious to everyone but him. Like the rest of you I much appreciate the perspective of people who own and driver the R as well as the new GT3. On the other hand, polluting this thread with way too many posts trying to convince people that one view point is the only valid one is well ... to damn much.
Regards,
Regards,
12-23-2017, 07:07 PM
#173
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Folks I have deleted a bunch of posts from destaccado for reasons which I suspect are obvious to everyone but him. Like the rest of you I much appreciate the perspective of people who own and driver the R as well as the new GT3. On the other hand, polluting this thread with way too many posts trying to convince people that one view point is the only valid one is well ... to damn much.
Regards,
Regards,
12-23-2017, 07:38 PM
#174
The best think is drive the cars and do not think to actual or futur value.
I would certainly be happier to buy a used and respected 20-year-old car and not a zero-kilometer car that I could not use.
At this point it is better to buy a scale model well built by a specialist and watch it only.
Buying a car to and not using it is amazed, it's like keeping your wife for the future husband or lover.
But it is also right to understand which car is really better than the other: the R? or the Touring?
It is advisable to give a professional task to a specialist equipped with well-calibrated detection tools.
Or wait for some authoritative magazine to express itself with a precise comparison, with real acceleration times, final speed and circuit laps, and noise tools.
Is just my thought.
At this point it is better to buy a scale model well built by a specialist and watch it only.
Buying a car to and not using it is amazed, it's like keeping your wife for the future husband or lover.
But it is also right to understand which car is really better than the other: the R? or the Touring?
It is advisable to give a professional task to a specialist equipped with well-calibrated detection tools.
Or wait for some authoritative magazine to express itself with a precise comparison, with real acceleration times, final speed and circuit laps, and noise tools.
Is just my thought.
12-23-2017, 08:06 PM
#175
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Folks I have deleted a bunch of posts from destaccado for reasons which I suspect are obvious to everyone but him. Like the rest of you I much appreciate the perspective of people who own and driver the R as well as the new GT3. On the other hand, polluting this thread with way too many posts trying to convince people that one view point is the only valid one is well ... to damn much.
Regards,
Regards,
Hopefully he will learn his lessons and know when to stop from now on.
Merry Christmas to you!
12-24-2017, 01:10 AM
#176
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wow. long bizzare thread.
but if i needed any info on R, i listen to rich-fr, footsoldier and whoopsy...
destacado, you couldn't get 4.0RS at msrp and bitter. many didn't. i coudn't get an R at msrp. not too happy with that but life goes on. what R's value is today, yesterday or tmo really doesn't matter...
flippers gets toppled if value tanked.
enthusiasts and long term owners like rich-fr, footsoldier and whoopsy... likely dont give rats' a** losing 150k 250k on the car should it tank.
my motto to myself is that: if i had to think more than a hour to decide if i am buyign or not, i really can't afford the car. so just let it go. so far that worked well for me.
but if i needed any info on R, i listen to rich-fr, footsoldier and whoopsy...
destacado, you couldn't get 4.0RS at msrp and bitter. many didn't. i coudn't get an R at msrp. not too happy with that but life goes on. what R's value is today, yesterday or tmo really doesn't matter...
flippers gets toppled if value tanked.
enthusiasts and long term owners like rich-fr, footsoldier and whoopsy... likely dont give rats' a** losing 150k 250k on the car should it tank.
my motto to myself is that: if i had to think more than a hour to decide if i am buyign or not, i really can't afford the car. so just let it go. so far that worked well for me.
12-24-2017, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by smbryan
So if someone held a gun to your head and you had to choose... which one would it be?!
Single mass flywheel and powerful enough to drift around and slide a bit (inner hooligan fed).
My take on the R vs 2018 GT3 has to do with little things (radio delete yay) as the differences in the seat are subtle, but like a sushi snob or a sommelier there is a coppery aftertaste and a tiny sensation that the lack of grip on the rear of an R, the flywheel, and rattle of more permissible hum/distortion...the GT3 is sharper but I like my slightly more funky knife. They're both knives.
12-24-2017, 11:11 AM
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GT3 have more HP than the R ,
dont forget that hydraulic valvetrain (on the R) need HP to work, not to mention the less engine parts friction (on the GT3)
Both have manual
Both can be suspensions,tires and rims modified to meet your street/road preference
over an 8,500 rpm diluted song i do always prefer a 9,000 true rock one
dont forget that hydraulic valvetrain (on the R) need HP to work, not to mention the less engine parts friction (on the GT3)
Both have manual
Both can be suspensions,tires and rims modified to meet your street/road preference
over an 8,500 rpm diluted song i do always prefer a 9,000 true rock one
Last edited by fxz; 12-24-2017 at 11:32 AM.
12-24-2017, 11:13 AM
#180
Driving both I noticed that his cars basically offset each other.
The R can give you on the road that the RS can not give you.
On the track the Rs can give you what the R can not give you.
The RS copies the asphalt a lot because of the wide tires and jumps over the differences because it is harder but it is damn efficient.
The R allows you to feel more comfortable but after 50 km of curves you sweat your hands and hurts your left leg, so you stop and look at panorama, meanwhile the RS has gone a long way.
We must have both to understand that they are two cars born for a different destination.
But the frame is basically the same, I give an example: in some corners and at the same RPM the *** starts at the same precise moment.
Crazy to think but it is so.
The soul is the same, but the romanticism can not be exchanged with technicality.
The R can give you on the road that the RS can not give you.
On the track the Rs can give you what the R can not give you.
The RS copies the asphalt a lot because of the wide tires and jumps over the differences because it is harder but it is damn efficient.
The R allows you to feel more comfortable but after 50 km of curves you sweat your hands and hurts your left leg, so you stop and look at panorama, meanwhile the RS has gone a long way.
We must have both to understand that they are two cars born for a different destination.
But the frame is basically the same, I give an example: in some corners and at the same RPM the *** starts at the same precise moment.
Crazy to think but it is so.
The soul is the same, but the romanticism can not be exchanged with technicality.