Manual Vs. PDK in the GT3 .2
11-15-2017, 03:45 PM
#121
There is still the fact that one might choose one transmission over the other simply because they enjoy how it makes them feel driving the car. Nothing more. No need to overthink things or conclude on someone else's motivations, when you really have no idea what they might be.
But referring to a PDK as a "manual" is flat-out wrong. It just is.
11-15-2017, 04:14 PM
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This manual box is one of the best I have ever driven. Up there with the feel of a 997.2 GT3. Quick and precise, with the addition of the auto blip on down shifts puts it over the top.
Clutch is so smooth and easy but not numb, very clear engagement point. I was also told by the dealer that if you accidentally stall when you clutch in, the car will automatically restart itself.
Other fav boxes were made by Graziano; they produced, for Aston and also they made gated I had on a Gallardo. Although buttery smooth and fun, they lack the speed and precision of this magical gearbox. I have had 5 other manual Porsches, this box is spectacular. It doesn't get any better then this. Theres no slop side to side or when shifting it, slides in and feels the same each time, never any grit feeling like you would have on a Carrera.
If you're a real enthusiast and have owned a 915 gearbox you won't even know what to do with yourself!!!!
If this isn't your daily and you love to track but don't care about lap times this is what you NEEEEED in your life. I am addicted. I just got back from a drive and just want another. Best Porsche I have ever owned.
The only thing that takes a little getting use to is using the parking brake. You get use to it.
Clutch is so smooth and easy but not numb, very clear engagement point. I was also told by the dealer that if you accidentally stall when you clutch in, the car will automatically restart itself.
Other fav boxes were made by Graziano; they produced, for Aston and also they made gated I had on a Gallardo. Although buttery smooth and fun, they lack the speed and precision of this magical gearbox. I have had 5 other manual Porsches, this box is spectacular. It doesn't get any better then this. Theres no slop side to side or when shifting it, slides in and feels the same each time, never any grit feeling like you would have on a Carrera.
If you're a real enthusiast and have owned a 915 gearbox you won't even know what to do with yourself!!!!
If this isn't your daily and you love to track but don't care about lap times this is what you NEEEEED in your life. I am addicted. I just got back from a drive and just want another. Best Porsche I have ever owned.
The only thing that takes a little getting use to is using the parking brake. You get use to it.
11-15-2017, 04:17 PM
#124
Burning Brakes
This manual box is one of the best I have ever driven. Up there with the feel of a 997.2 GT3. Quick and precise, with the addition of the auto blip on down shifts puts it over the top.
Clutch is so smooth and easy but not numb, very clear engagement point. I was also told by the dealer that if you accidentally stall when you clutch in, the car will automatically restart itself.
Other fav boxes were made by Graziano; they produced, for Aston and also they made gated I had on a Gallardo. Although buttery smooth and fun, they lack the speed and precision of this magical gearbox. I have had 5 other manual Porsches, this box is spectacular. It doesn't get any better then this. Theres no slop side to side or when shifting it, slides in and feels the same each time, never any grit feeling like you would have on a Carrera.
If you're a real enthusiast and have owned a 915 gearbox you won't even know what to do with yourself!!!!
If this isn't your daily and you love to track but don't care about lap times this is what you NEEEEED in your life. I am addicted. I just got back from a drive and just want another. Best Porsche I have ever owned.
The only thing that takes a little getting use to is using the parking brake. You get use to it.
Clutch is so smooth and easy but not numb, very clear engagement point. I was also told by the dealer that if you accidentally stall when you clutch in, the car will automatically restart itself.
Other fav boxes were made by Graziano; they produced, for Aston and also they made gated I had on a Gallardo. Although buttery smooth and fun, they lack the speed and precision of this magical gearbox. I have had 5 other manual Porsches, this box is spectacular. It doesn't get any better then this. Theres no slop side to side or when shifting it, slides in and feels the same each time, never any grit feeling like you would have on a Carrera.
If you're a real enthusiast and have owned a 915 gearbox you won't even know what to do with yourself!!!!
If this isn't your daily and you love to track but don't care about lap times this is what you NEEEEED in your life. I am addicted. I just got back from a drive and just want another. Best Porsche I have ever owned.
The only thing that takes a little getting use to is using the parking brake. You get use to it.
11-15-2017, 04:22 PM
#125
This manual box is one of the best I have ever driven. Up there with the feel of a 997.2 GT3. Quick and precise, with the addition of the auto blip on down shifts puts it over the top.
Clutch is so smooth and easy but not numb, very clear engagement point. I was also told by the dealer that if you accidentally stall when you clutch in, the car will automatically restart itself.
Other fav boxes were made by Graziano; they produced, for Aston and also they made gated I had on a Gallardo. Although buttery smooth and fun, they lack the speed and precision of this magical gearbox. I have had 5 other manual Porsches, this box is spectacular. It doesn't get any better then this. Theres no slop side to side or when shifting it, slides in and feels the same each time, never any grit feeling like you would have on a Carrera.
If you're a real enthusiast and have owned a 915 gearbox you won't even know what to do with yourself!!!!
If this isn't your daily and you love to track but don't care about lap times this is what you NEEEEED in your life. I am addicted. I just got back from a drive and just want another. Best Porsche I have ever owned.
The only thing that takes a little getting use to is using the parking brake. You get use to it.
Clutch is so smooth and easy but not numb, very clear engagement point. I was also told by the dealer that if you accidentally stall when you clutch in, the car will automatically restart itself.
Other fav boxes were made by Graziano; they produced, for Aston and also they made gated I had on a Gallardo. Although buttery smooth and fun, they lack the speed and precision of this magical gearbox. I have had 5 other manual Porsches, this box is spectacular. It doesn't get any better then this. Theres no slop side to side or when shifting it, slides in and feels the same each time, never any grit feeling like you would have on a Carrera.
If you're a real enthusiast and have owned a 915 gearbox you won't even know what to do with yourself!!!!
If this isn't your daily and you love to track but don't care about lap times this is what you NEEEEED in your life. I am addicted. I just got back from a drive and just want another. Best Porsche I have ever owned.
The only thing that takes a little getting use to is using the parking brake. You get use to it.
As for the restart on stall... it's a neat feature. I think it's a side-effect of the auto-start/stop feature. My Boxster did it too and, while hopefully you don't use it very often, it's a nice touch when it does its thing.
As for lap times... well... if I'm faster than you with a PDK... I'm also going to be faster than you with a manual.
11-15-2017, 05:42 PM
#126
Racer
both are great transmissions for sure. This is a blast of a car either way, just get whichever one makes you Happy!
11-15-2017, 05:55 PM
#127
So after much thought decided to get a PDK.
My reasoning is as follows
1. Planning on increasing track and auto cross days with the new car this next year and frankly I don’t think I’m a good enough driver to also have to include the shifting part of it. I’d like to concentrate on getting better just controlling the car for the time being.
2. For those very rare occasions when I’m tired as hell and can’t be bothered to shift, I like the option of being able to not think about it too much.
3. The PDKS is an exceptional marvel of engineering and I can’t help but feel like it’s a shame to miss out on a major feature designed for this purpose and the motor allegedly has been designed for this gearbox. Who am I to argue?
4. And this is the most minor. Would like my better half to be able to at least drive this car a bit. NOT TOO MUCH lol
I have to say the level of knowledge and input on this forum is amazing at times! I took my time reading every single response with a nice glass of bourbon and let it all sink in.
As many of you have said you really can’t lose in this scenario and I am just so thankful that I can even consider this car. I can’t wait to own it, drive and even just look at it.
11-15-2017, 08:57 PM
#128
Race Director
"PDK-S is basically a condom"
"Manuals are more fun and require skill to operate. Automatic gearboxes are basically condoms: The motions are undoubtedly the same, but unless you’re a robot, the joy of the process takes a hit. If you think motion is the sole purpose of a fast car, then hey, great. If you like the process and want to feel stuff, stay with a clutch pedal."
I thought this was just a really funny metaphor from the road and track article on the gt2-rs.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ws&date=111517
they also wrote "It’s not as engaging on a back road as the GT3, mainly because it doesn’t make that car’s obscene yowl and seems to want more pace in order to feel like it’s working. "... but I dont' want to post that because that would lead to nowhere good.
I thought this was just a really funny metaphor from the road and track article on the gt2-rs.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ws&date=111517
they also wrote "It’s not as engaging on a back road as the GT3, mainly because it doesn’t make that car’s obscene yowl and seems to want more pace in order to feel like it’s working. "... but I dont' want to post that because that would lead to nowhere good.
11-15-2017, 09:43 PM
#129
If you had to purchase a used 997.2 with a manual or a PDK, what would you buy. I have never had a gt3 until now (end of december) and would have a hard time picking a PDK, but for the purpose of the GT3, it seems more of a challenge to those on the fence. then a normal 911 I waited for the manual. or would have skipped the car. I just don't understand why there is pressure to conform to one or the other. If i wanted a PDK great, if not Great. Its a preference.
As for drivers engagement , anyone who has been to a motorcycle track day or grew up road racing, has a totally different regard to engagement. All cars feel dead unless you are on the edge of wrecking. My 2 cents
As for drivers engagement , anyone who has been to a motorcycle track day or grew up road racing, has a totally different regard to engagement. All cars feel dead unless you are on the edge of wrecking. My 2 cents
11-15-2017, 09:50 PM
#130
Been there, done that. commuted DD with manual GT3 and RS (never saw anything else P-car GT related commuting) in NYC for 8 years. Never had a problem and all cars were (are, will be manual) dumped the 1.1 after 4 months of paddles...what a bore fest.
my incoming allocation will be manual
get the car you want the way you want and drive the sh*t out of it
my incoming allocation will be manual
get the car you want the way you want and drive the sh*t out of it
11-16-2017, 02:00 AM
#131
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There is still the fact that one might choose one transmission over the other simply because they enjoy how it makes them feel driving the car. Nothing more. No need to overthink things or conclude on someone else's motivations, when you really have no idea what they might be.
Can't believe no-one has yet mentioned the real reasons PDK wins out. Left foot braking and steering feel.
Left foot braking is far more rewarding than heel and toe, which is a nice, quaint, nostalgic thing. Pushing a clutch just gets boring, especially in traffic.
Left foot braking and keeping two hands at 2.45 on the wheel allows you to maximize the feel of a brilliant car through all four limbs always being in contact with a key control surface.
When you fully feel that car dance underneath you on the edge of adhesion it is a magnificent feeling - why would you want to take a hand off the wheel or simply use your left leg to push a simple pedal. Would not swap it for MT on a seriously capable car like ? Porsche GT. I have manual Imprezas for when I want to heel and toe, but that's not really why I keep them either.
Left foot braking is far more rewarding than heel and toe, which is a nice, quaint, nostalgic thing. Pushing a clutch just gets boring, especially in traffic.
Left foot braking and keeping two hands at 2.45 on the wheel allows you to maximize the feel of a brilliant car through all four limbs always being in contact with a key control surface.
When you fully feel that car dance underneath you on the edge of adhesion it is a magnificent feeling - why would you want to take a hand off the wheel or simply use your left leg to push a simple pedal. Would not swap it for MT on a seriously capable car like ? Porsche GT. I have manual Imprezas for when I want to heel and toe, but that's not really why I keep them either.
i am not sure why heel and toe is so fascination. i didnt know how to do it when i learned to drive at 16. i heard of it. so i took my dad's 84 G body out and in about 40 min, i got it down and can also double clutch up and down in his POS beetle in a week. it's NOT THAT HARD.
have u guys driven 997 cup car with semi sequential... heel and toe that.. lr is that also considered automatic.
get whatever floats your boat, there is no need to discount the one you decide not to pick
an apple is not necessarily better than an orange.
11-16-2017, 02:07 AM
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11-16-2017, 04:50 AM
#134
Three Wheelin'
11-16-2017, 05:03 AM
#135
Three Wheelin'
Can't believe no-one has yet mentioned the real reasons PDK wins out. Left foot braking and steering feel.
Left foot braking is far more rewarding than heel and toe, which is a nice, quaint, nostalgic thing. Pushing a clutch just gets boring, especially in traffic.
Left foot braking and keeping two hands at 2.45 on the wheel allows you to maximize the feel of a brilliant car through all four limbs always being in contact with a key control surface.
When you fully feel that car dance underneath you on the edge of adhesion it is a magnificent feeling - why would you want to take a hand off the wheel or simply use your left leg to push a simple pedal. Would not swap it for MT on a seriously capable car like ? Porsche GT. I have manual Imprezas for when I want to heel and toe, but that's not really why I keep them either.
Left foot braking is far more rewarding than heel and toe, which is a nice, quaint, nostalgic thing. Pushing a clutch just gets boring, especially in traffic.
Left foot braking and keeping two hands at 2.45 on the wheel allows you to maximize the feel of a brilliant car through all four limbs always being in contact with a key control surface.
When you fully feel that car dance underneath you on the edge of adhesion it is a magnificent feeling - why would you want to take a hand off the wheel or simply use your left leg to push a simple pedal. Would not swap it for MT on a seriously capable car like ? Porsche GT. I have manual Imprezas for when I want to heel and toe, but that's not really why I keep them either.
But that doesn't matter, everyone should get what they want.
