What novel sportscar concept would you spend $350-$400k on?
11-08-2017, 06:22 PM
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11-08-2017, 08:51 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by nuvolari612
Zonda 760 Roadster Manual Gearbox.
11-08-2017, 08:57 PM
#34
A proper race car that can be street-registerable with included street conversion bits/parts. The race car is made eligible to race in various endurance races like Nurburgring, Le Mans, Daytona, Sebring, Spa. To show credibility, factory/manufacturer should include subsidized race support to customers who purchased and are racing their cars at such endurance races.
Spec ideally would be: sub-2000 lb, CF tub, mid-engine, normally aspirated like a high revving flat 6/V8/V10/V12. Hybrid electrics not preferred but also not a deal killer if it helps car’s race competitiveness/relevance.
Ideally, an existing brand which has credible, consistent history in Motorsports participation i.e. Porsche, Ferrari, etc.
Spec ideally would be: sub-2000 lb, CF tub, mid-engine, normally aspirated like a high revving flat 6/V8/V10/V12. Hybrid electrics not preferred but also not a deal killer if it helps car’s race competitiveness/relevance.
Ideally, an existing brand which has credible, consistent history in Motorsports participation i.e. Porsche, Ferrari, etc.
11-08-2017, 09:48 PM
#35
I’ve got a BAC mono on my list (already checked the early 911 box). However I’d be willing to trade up to a modern version of this if it were available. Key for me would be safety. If I’m buying an almost dedicated track car I’d be buying it to crash in. Something that looks and works like this, road legal, but with internal F1 style carbon crash structure.
1100 lbs and near 400 hp in original form.
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...king-ring-9083
It’s a stretch, but if you keep parts of a Porsche engine and chassis in there somewhere and you could even take it PCA events.
Not interested in a hyper aero car or “winning” track days. It’s all about the driving experience.
1100 lbs and near 400 hp in original form.
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...king-ring-9083
It’s a stretch, but if you keep parts of a Porsche engine and chassis in there somewhere and you could even take it PCA events.
Not interested in a hyper aero car or “winning” track days. It’s all about the driving experience.
11-08-2017, 09:56 PM
#36
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I’m trying not to influence answers by answering or injecting my impression, but **** Pete.. if Iï¸t were up to me.. you’ve nailed Iï¸t.
11-08-2017, 09:57 PM
#37
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Mosler tried this too....
11-08-2017, 09:59 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by 008
Mosler tried this too....
11-08-2017, 10:08 PM
#39
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Yep. I got serious about one back in the day. They were just slightly off in fit and finish and the designs were never quite cohesive imo. A new stab at it today may make sense with a less kit car design.
11-09-2017, 08:53 AM
#40
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A Ferrari 458, with the V12 from the Superfast.
11-09-2017, 10:21 AM
#41
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Dear GT3/RS/GT2 forum friends, today I was asked a serious question, from a contact who is researching different segments of the sports car market before embarking on a new project. This contact is highly experienced, with participation in many previous vehicles to their credit.
They are trying to understand and target a group of car-lovers who generally fit into the following market criteria:
-A gearhead who has considered, or has already attended track days with their car... (not the starbucks/miami beach poser who wants to glitter while they glide past at 20mph.)
-Someone who has spent $200k on a car like the GT3.. but would consider stretching to $300 or even $400k for something which truly plucked at their fantasy strings. Even if this meant selling a few cars to stretch for this.. what car would make you say "it's worth it to me to really stretch my budget for something so awesome that did x & y"
The question is.. what sports car concept would truly tug at those fantasy strings?
For full disclosure, I'm asking because I'm doing some market research for this entity. I'm only saying this to let you know that every post on here will be read carefully, and every word considered and appreciated. In other words, as you'd be the target market, what you say, matters.
Lastly, i will put forth a few really basic ideas to stimulate the creative juices.
-Think of a segment which is underserved-what makes you think "I would actually buy something which had ________certain qualities."
-Consider cars like the BACMono, or the Ultima GTR for inspiration.. what would you have done differently with those?
-What what you give up in your GT3, in exchange for more in another area.
-Would you give away comfort for more aero?
-Would you care to lose the passenger seat in exchange for central driving position?
-Would you want a roof to drive it on roads, or would you not care and want to wear a helmet?
-What kind of engine would make you excited to buy such a car?
This is early research.. go nuts, but think critically. With as saturated a sports car market as there is today.. there are always segments available for companies willing to take risks and make something really unique. This group has the resources and the experience to do something truly cool. Let me know what that product looks like to you.
Thank you by the way, truly.. I always appreciate this group of people (until we meet in person haha).
They are trying to understand and target a group of car-lovers who generally fit into the following market criteria:
-A gearhead who has considered, or has already attended track days with their car... (not the starbucks/miami beach poser who wants to glitter while they glide past at 20mph.)
-Someone who has spent $200k on a car like the GT3.. but would consider stretching to $300 or even $400k for something which truly plucked at their fantasy strings. Even if this meant selling a few cars to stretch for this.. what car would make you say "it's worth it to me to really stretch my budget for something so awesome that did x & y"
The question is.. what sports car concept would truly tug at those fantasy strings?
For full disclosure, I'm asking because I'm doing some market research for this entity. I'm only saying this to let you know that every post on here will be read carefully, and every word considered and appreciated. In other words, as you'd be the target market, what you say, matters.
Lastly, i will put forth a few really basic ideas to stimulate the creative juices.
-Think of a segment which is underserved-what makes you think "I would actually buy something which had ________certain qualities."
-Consider cars like the BACMono, or the Ultima GTR for inspiration.. what would you have done differently with those?
-What what you give up in your GT3, in exchange for more in another area.
-Would you give away comfort for more aero?
-Would you care to lose the passenger seat in exchange for central driving position?
-Would you want a roof to drive it on roads, or would you not care and want to wear a helmet?
-What kind of engine would make you excited to buy such a car?
This is early research.. go nuts, but think critically. With as saturated a sports car market as there is today.. there are always segments available for companies willing to take risks and make something really unique. This group has the resources and the experience to do something truly cool. Let me know what that product looks like to you.
Thank you by the way, truly.. I always appreciate this group of people (until we meet in person haha).
1) It has to be classic Porsche 911 Experience with some modern luxuries attached.
2) Singer Porsche 911 hits it perfectly
3) Even a Porsche 911 (993 works awesome here) experience with some modern amenities would be great.
I would actually buy something which has an Old School Porsche (and Ferrari) vibe with certain qualities like bluetooth, Apple CarPlay, Comfort mode in City driving (I do not see the point of 19inch+ tires when my city roads are filled with tons and tons of potholes).
The car has to be considered to be a Daily Driver. No point buying a 350-400K car when I can't drive it regularly. I hate garage queen cars.
The look has to be old school vibe as not to attract unwanted idiotic attention from people. For example, if i am driving a 918 in the city, the cars gets attention from the good crowd and the bad crowd. It is quite annoying and sometimes I just feel unsafe. When feeling uncomfortable, the enjoyment of the car just goes away.
Manual gearbox is great but I am fine with a PDK transmission which allows me to drive manual by moving the stick up and down. In heavy traffic, I am worn out with manual and do relish an automatic at times.
Zero interest in central driving position. I like to have at-least 1 passenger with me when I drive long distances. It is fun to have some company. And need roof to drive on roads
Engine - NA is good but I am open to 918 style hybrid engine too. It is going to be electric world in about 15 years or so.
11-09-2017, 11:15 AM
#42
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11-09-2017, 03:27 PM
#43
11-09-2017, 03:39 PM
#44
I’ve got a BAC mono on my list (already checked the early 911 box). However I’d be willing to trade up to a modern version of this if it were available. Key for me would be safety. If I’m buying an almost dedicated track car I’d be buying it to crash in. Something that looks and works like this, road legal, but with internal F1 style carbon crash structure.
1100 lbs and near 400 hp in original form.
It’s a stretch, but if you keep parts of a Porsche engine and chassis in there somewhere and you could even take it PCA events.
Not interested in a hyper aero car or “winning” track days. It’s all about the driving experience.
1100 lbs and near 400 hp in original form.
It’s a stretch, but if you keep parts of a Porsche engine and chassis in there somewhere and you could even take it PCA events.
Not interested in a hyper aero car or “winning” track days. It’s all about the driving experience.
