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Old 03-14-2019, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by -eztrader-
Ferrari dealers play plenty of games - "sponsor our race team", "you must buy cars you don't want, before we allocate you something good". etc.
I've heard that, but wouldn't it just be easier for them to sell at ADM like many Porsche dealers do and not deal with the games?
Old 03-14-2019, 04:40 AM
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If anyone has a lead on GT3 or GT3 touring, without ADM, please send me a note. Thanks
Old 03-14-2019, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hf1




There are three quantities in every transaction:
1. The total price the buyer pays.
2. The net price the seller receives
3. Transaction costs = 1 - 2

Both 1 and 2 are equally relevant as market prices. 1 is acceptable to a buyer and 2 is acceptable to a seller. 2 is a data point reflecting a price at which a seller is willing to sell, just like 1 is a price at which a buyer is willing to buy.
We can agree to disagree. I see the market price set entirely on the buy side. In an auction, the Seller’s only ‘influence’ on the market price is whether they set a reserve, and if so, at what level.
Old 03-14-2019, 08:32 AM
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Aren't you a very strong advocate of "No ADM"? Then here you are saying Ferrari should follow the "game" Porsche dealers do by adding ADM.

The Ferrari business model of forcing/encouraging buyers to buy "regular" models in order to acquire "popular" Ferrari models is simply to increase sales and push inventory of cars that are not as popular or easy to sell. In this case it will generate profit and sales by Ferrari. Likewise Porsche dealers especially those who just remodeled and spent $million$ to make their dealerships new and appealing. Thus an increase in their allocation due to investment made to the dealership.

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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I've heard that, but wouldn't it just be easier for them to sell at ADM like many Porsche dealers do and not deal with the games?
Old 03-14-2019, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by -eztrader-
Ferrari dealers play plenty of games - "sponsor our race team", "you must buy cars you don't want, before we allocate you something good". etc.
Exactly, it used to be that as a first time buyer if you wanted to order a new car you also had to pick up an FF or a Cali and then you'd have to option the 458 with 80 grand of carbon fiber crap.
Old 03-14-2019, 10:55 AM
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There's a reason McLaren and Lamborghini exist and their success in part is due to the great business practices of Ferrari. It's a game at another level and life's too short.
Old 03-14-2019, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GT3RS-Fan1
Aren't you a very strong advocate of "No ADM"? Then here you are saying Ferrari should follow the "game" Porsche dealers do by adding ADM.

The Ferrari business model of forcing/encouraging buyers to buy "regular" models in order to acquire "popular" Ferrari models is simply to increase sales and push inventory of cars that are not as popular or easy to sell. In this case it will generate profit and sales by Ferrari. Likewise Porsche dealers especially those who just remodeled and spent $million$ to make their dealerships new and appealing. Thus an increase in their allocation due to investment made to the dealership.

Drive safe,
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I'm more for transparency and no games. Withholding/hiding allocations/cars and playing a scarcity game which many Porsche dealers do is very annoying but it looks like the music is coming to an end and there aren't enough chairs (buyers) to go around so they'll learn their lesson on being a speculator.
Old 03-14-2019, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hf1




There are three quantities in every transaction:
1. The total price the buyer pays.
2. The net price the seller receives
3. Transaction costs = 1 - 2

Both 1 and 2 are equally relevant as market prices. 1 is acceptable to a buyer and 2 is acceptable to a seller. 2 is a data point reflecting a price at which a seller is willing to sell, just like 1 is a price at which a buyer is willing to buy.
The issue here is that number 2 (the seller market price) isn't really comparable to anything in the typical marketplace due to the high transaction fee, since most cars are not sold through this type of an auction. While the selling price is a much more accurate representation.
Old 03-14-2019, 06:07 PM
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So anybody have a line on a buildable GT3RS allocation? Just missed one at a local dealership—someone grabbed it two days ago. Not looking for a car on the ground. Lots of those available, but seems like dealers are building their allocations rather than letting customers spec them, which is silly. Dealers say oh sorry we don't have any allocations. Then two months later four GT cars show up the dealership spec'd with wonky options.
Old 03-14-2019, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
So anybody have a line on a buildable GT3RS allocation? Just missed one at a local dealership—someone grabbed it two days ago. Not looking for a car on the ground. Lots of those available, but seems like dealers are building their allocations rather than letting customers spec them, which is silly. Dealers say oh sorry we don't have any allocations. Then two months later four GT cars show up the dealership spec'd with wonky options.
Buildable GT2RS allocation? I thought they finished those already.
Old 03-14-2019, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
So anybody have a line on a buildable GT3RS allocation? Just missed one at a local dealership—someone grabbed it two days ago. Not looking for a car on the ground. Lots of those available, but seems like dealers are building their allocations rather than letting customers spec them, which is silly. Dealers say oh sorry we don't have any allocations. Then two months later four GT cars show up the dealership spec'd with wonky options.
Wish I did. I'm in the same boat.
Old 03-14-2019, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Buildable GT2RS allocation? I thought they finished those already.
No, GT3RS.
Old 03-14-2019, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
No, GT3RS.
Opps sorry, misread your post. I believe they are still building those.
Old 03-14-2019, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Opps sorry, misread your post. I believe they are still building those.
That's what I thought but every dealer I speak with says they can't get one. Then a few months later they call me and say they have a bunch on the lot. I'm like WTF... I don't want one you spec'd with 4 different colors and crappy options. I want to build my own.
Old 03-14-2019, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
That's what I thought but every dealer I speak with says they can't get one. Then a few months later they call me and say they have a bunch on the lot. I'm like WTF... I don't want one you spec'd with 4 different colors and crappy options. I want to build my own.
Damn stealers...it's annoying when they hoard the allocations for themselves and load them up with bad option and/or weird combinations. Did you try dealers outside of CA?

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