New GT3/GT2RS Leads With/Without ADM
03-13-2019, 05:30 PM
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https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/20...2-rs-weissach/
03-13-2019, 05:48 PM
#4142
No they don’t.
However, dealers know it is highly unlikely they would get additional GT allocations if they don’t have buyers for their current allocations. Despite some of the claims in this forum, dealers do not order GT cars for existing clients without their knowledge. Porsche often sends gifts and correspondences to GT buyers beforehand so the last thing a dealer would want is a gift sent to an unsuspecting client who then demands the car.
03-13-2019, 05:50 PM
#4143
You want real data watch the auctions. No reserve GT2 RS just hammered out at $320k, which means seller netted around $305k; below MSRP. Note that the figure Gooding shows here is with buyer fees included.
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/20...2-rs-weissach/
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/20...2-rs-weissach/
03-13-2019, 05:55 PM
#4144
This is funny. Socialist thinking. Anti-Capitalist. No thanks. Maybe CA is rubbing off on you? 
I do the same thing in Real estate. When times get good for building houses, I start building more spec homes because it is easier not dealing with a customer and I can charge market rate at the end rather than selling it a year earlier to only find out my costs went up. These dealers are doing similar. They feel like they can get market price when it shows up and don't have to deal with a buyer calling them every week wondering if the car is V200 or V300, etc. Don't blame them. I wouldn't let anyone order if I was the owner. Of course, this idea changes when sales get tougher....
I do the same thing in Real estate. When times get good for building houses, I start building more spec homes because it is easier not dealing with a customer and I can charge market rate at the end rather than selling it a year earlier to only find out my costs went up. These dealers are doing similar. They feel like they can get market price when it shows up and don't have to deal with a buyer calling them every week wondering if the car is V200 or V300, etc. Don't blame them. I wouldn't let anyone order if I was the owner. Of course, this idea changes when sales get tougher....Last edited by usctrojanGT3; 03-13-2019 at 06:31 PM.
03-13-2019, 06:20 PM
#4145
You want real data watch the auctions. No reserve GT2 RS just hammered out at $320k, which means seller netted around $305k; below MSRP. Note that the figure Gooding shows here is with buyer fees included.
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/20...2-rs-weissach/
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/20...2-rs-weissach/
03-13-2019, 06:36 PM
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Yup, I saw that. It should goes to strengthen my claim that GT2RSs will be selling below MSRP shortly (as well GT3s and GT3RSs...I'm not just bagging on GT2RSs). The main reason for that is that Porsche built a lot more cars than people thought they would which has caused the tide to come in which will expose those folks with no shorts.
Read my post again.
Car hammered at $320k. The $357k figure includes the ~12% buyers premium. On the other side the seller walked away with $304ish - $320 less the 5% seller concession (not including costs to get car there and prepped) . The only real winner in this transaction is the auction house but at least the buyer can look at "advertised" prices for a while and feel like he got a good deal.
03-13-2019, 06:54 PM
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Read my post again.
Car hammered at $320k. The $357k figure includes the ~12% buyers premium. On the other side the seller walked away with $304ish - $320 less the 5% seller concession (not including costs to get car there and prepped) . The only real winner in this transaction is the auction house but at least the buyer can look at "advertised" prices for a while and feel like he got a good deal.
Car hammered at $320k. The $357k figure includes the ~12% buyers premium. On the other side the seller walked away with $304ish - $320 less the 5% seller concession (not including costs to get car there and prepped) . The only real winner in this transaction is the auction house but at least the buyer can look at "advertised" prices for a while and feel like he got a good deal.
03-13-2019, 07:32 PM
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I understood your post, but it's misleading. The buyers premium is the real market price, since that's what was paid by the end user. They didn't buy it at the discounted price. The auction house acted as a middle man in the transaction. Obviously the seller didn't get the sold price, but that's because of the transaction fee in the case of an auction.
03-13-2019, 08:05 PM
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This is funny. Socialist thinking. Anti-Capitalist. No thanks. Maybe CA is rubbing off on you? I do the same thing in Real estate. When times get good for building houses, I start building more spec homes because it is easier not dealing with a customer and I can charge market rate at the end rather than selling it a year earlier to only find out my costs went up. These dealers are doing similar. They feel like they can get market price when it shows up and don't have to deal with a buyer calling them every week wondering if the car is V200 or V300, etc. Don't blame them. I wouldn't let anyone order if I was the owner. Of course, this idea changes when sales get tougher....
I do the same thing in Real estate. When times get good for building houses, I start building more spec homes because it is easier not dealing with a customer and I can charge market rate at the end rather than selling it a year earlier to only find out my costs went up. These dealers are doing similar. They feel like they can get market price when it shows up and don't have to deal with a buyer calling them every week wondering if the car is V200 or V300, etc. Don't blame them. I wouldn't let anyone order if I was the owner. Of course, this idea changes when sales get tougher....
03-13-2019, 08:53 PM
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03-13-2019, 08:59 PM
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03-13-2019, 09:21 PM
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03-13-2019, 09:25 PM
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I don't get the point of auctioning current model cars. If that seller had posted the car at $325k firm here on rennlist he probably would have sold at that price within a week or two. What did the buyer and seller achieve by crossing at an auction aside from pissing money away.
03-13-2019, 09:29 PM
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I don't get the point of auctioning current model cars. If that seller had posted the car at $325k firm here on rennlist he probably would have sold at that price within a week or two. What did the buyer and seller achieve by crossing at an auction aside from pissing money away.