New GT3/GT2RS Leads With/Without ADM
02-07-2018, 03:55 PM
#841
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Originally Posted by rxtrom
Awesome!
Can someone who has called a bunch of dealers lately shed some light on what the GT3 "Market" is doing? I feel like there is more inventory both new and used and ADMs are softening a little bit.
Can someone who has called a bunch of dealers lately shed some light on what the GT3 "Market" is doing? I feel like there is more inventory both new and used and ADMs are softening a little bit.
The big issue is that a lot of people are resigned to paying over sticker but there are almost no dealers willing to give up available slots. I'd say for people who hit me up they are in less of a rush to get a car (winter, few track days?) and would rather get their spec and wait.
02-07-2018, 04:08 PM
#842
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What's very interesting is the amount of PTS cars landing. They are being sprinkled in and wholesale asking prices are 20-25k over on those. One was offered to me on trade against a 720S. There are a few out there being offered up.
The big issue is that a lot of people are resigned to paying over sticker but there are almost no dealers willing to give up available slots. I'd say for people who hit me up they are in less of a rush to get a car (winter, few track days?) and would rather get their spec and wait.
The big issue is that a lot of people are resigned to paying over sticker but there are almost no dealers willing to give up available slots. I'd say for people who hit me up they are in less of a rush to get a car (winter, few track days?) and would rather get their spec and wait.
02-07-2018, 04:37 PM
#843
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What's very interesting is the amount of PTS cars landing. They are being sprinkled in and wholesale asking prices are 20-25k over on those. One was offered to me on trade against a 720S. There are a few out there being offered up.
The big issue is that a lot of people are resigned to paying over sticker but there are almost no dealers willing to give up available slots. I'd say for people who hit me up they are in less of a rush to get a car (winter, few track days?) and would rather get their spec and wait.
The big issue is that a lot of people are resigned to paying over sticker but there are almost no dealers willing to give up available slots. I'd say for people who hit me up they are in less of a rush to get a car (winter, few track days?) and would rather get their spec and wait.
According to some, those are valid customer orders that the customers backed out because of various reasons and the dealers are forced to offer them with ADM wholesale to other dealers.
Dealers of course have no allocations slots left as all are taken by customers that WILL back out the moment the car arrive at the dealership.
02-07-2018, 04:48 PM
#844
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According to some, those are valid customer orders that the customers backed out because of various reasons and the dealers are forced to offer them with ADM wholesale to other dealers.
Dealers of course have no allocations slots left as all are taken by customers that WILL back out the moment the car arrive at the dealership.
Dealers of course have no allocations slots left as all are taken by customers that WILL back out the moment the car arrive at the dealership.
02-07-2018, 05:12 PM
#845
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2 option GT3 manual, lift and led's: $179,900 BIN
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Porsch...Zaetmt&vxp=mtr
$150,390 build sheet: https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check...AC2A90JS174435
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Porsch...Zaetmt&vxp=mtr
$150,390 build sheet: https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check...AC2A90JS174435
02-07-2018, 05:53 PM
#847
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This is just one reason why deposits should be >$10k and non-refundable. The other is people putting multiple deposits at different dealers "just in case" making it look like demand >> supply. They're fully refundable so the downside is zero. I wonder what % of GT cars get spec'ed by someone other than their ultimate buyer.
You can't quite see the implied meaning in my post didn't you?
These 'customers' I mentioned are phantom ones created by the dealer themselves. These are not valid real customer orders. The cars are spec-ed by the dealers themselves for flipping.
For people that have multiple deposits on multiple dealers, they get their refunds once one dealer confirm their order, they don't config multiple cars across multiple dealers.
02-07-2018, 06:18 PM
#848
02-07-2018, 06:20 PM
#849
You can't quite see the implied meaning in my post didn't you?
These 'customers' I mentioned are phantom ones created by the dealer themselves. These are not valid real customer orders. The cars are spec-ed by the dealers themselves for flipping.
For people that have multiple deposits on multiple dealers, they get their refunds once one dealer confirm their order, they don't config multiple cars across multiple dealers.
These 'customers' I mentioned are phantom ones created by the dealer themselves. These are not valid real customer orders. The cars are spec-ed by the dealers themselves for flipping.
For people that have multiple deposits on multiple dealers, they get their refunds once one dealer confirm their order, they don't config multiple cars across multiple dealers.
02-07-2018, 06:37 PM
#850
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To skirt the issue, dealers take the allocations and use unauthorized customer data for the orders to show PCNA that these cars are orders from 'customers'. This is why there are always 'unsold' GT cars sitting in showrooms with some kind of ADM on it at launch. The cover story is always oh the customer backed out. Ferrari dealers are notoriously for doing this.
They used to use employee names but PCNA got smart at some point in time and question the orders. Some are genuine orders from customers with the same name, so those are allow to proceed after some investigation. Much less suspicion if they use real customer data from their database, record will shows those are existing customers ordering new cars.
Porsche personal at Zuffenhausen are always proud of the fact that every GT car build at Zuffenahusen are 'sold' cars, with a customer's name attached to each one. Sort of.
02-07-2018, 07:20 PM
#851
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The only time I have ever experienced Porsche get on us to put a customer's name on a car was when they handed us a VIP allocation or an allocation for a specific customer. For example, I had a customer who worked for a major Porsche supplier who secured a GT3 allocation for himself and it was clearly communicated to me that his name must go on it right away. However, those allocations were not just "dumped" on us like all the other ones and I guess I don't see why a GT allocation would be treated differently than any other one.
Not calling you out - just stating that my experience was a bit different than what you describe. It is possible that things have changed since I left a couple years ago.
02-07-2018, 07:42 PM
#852
@Whoopsy Does this happen in Canada as well? In Ontario, the normal deposit is $2,000 non-refundable for a specced car and refundable for a non-specced car. The deposit for a specced car can be refunded 3 months after the date it is paid. Is it like that in BC? In the US, I believe all deposits are refundable.
02-07-2018, 08:40 PM
#854
CJ - I have real, legit concerns about many of your statements disparaging Porsche dealers
on this forum over the past year. In this specific instance, you claim that “slimy” Porsche dealers
and their GM’s currently play tricks on 918 VIP clients to take their allocations (without them
knowing) and flip them to places like CNC. You made it appear that it was a current, ongoing
problem.
Here is your quote to that effect:
"VIP emails are sent to the VIP from David Donohue and to the Dealer GM. If the VIP does
not respond, the dealer can try and work slimy ways to get it anyway. It's hard but dealers
have done weirder stuff."
That statement is patently FALSE. As a Porsche dealer, it is totally irresponsible of you to
say that.
You have a lot of clients here who enjoy buying cars from you and openly praise your
business model. There is no need to continually disparage PCNA, and the Porsche
dealer body in an effort to ingratiate yourself into this community.
on this forum over the past year. In this specific instance, you claim that “slimy” Porsche dealers
and their GM’s currently play tricks on 918 VIP clients to take their allocations (without them
knowing) and flip them to places like CNC. You made it appear that it was a current, ongoing
problem.
Here is your quote to that effect:
"VIP emails are sent to the VIP from David Donohue and to the Dealer GM. If the VIP does
not respond, the dealer can try and work slimy ways to get it anyway. It's hard but dealers
have done weirder stuff."
That statement is patently FALSE. As a Porsche dealer, it is totally irresponsible of you to
say that.
You have a lot of clients here who enjoy buying cars from you and openly praise your
business model. There is no need to continually disparage PCNA, and the Porsche
dealer body in an effort to ingratiate yourself into this community.
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I'll raise my hand and say I'm behind ChicagoWhale. Most of his posts are on point and state facts
or try to teach others which is in contrast to most posters on here. Others may not like his "against
the grain" approach to the common RL narratives but I'm here to learn and will support those who
back up with facts, and that goes for him, you, CJ, or anyone else.
It's also fun to ruffles some feathers, otherwise RL can get boring.
or try to teach others which is in contrast to most posters on here. Others may not like his "against
the grain" approach to the common RL narratives but I'm here to learn and will support those who
back up with facts, and that goes for him, you, CJ, or anyone else.
It's also fun to ruffles some feathers, otherwise RL can get boring.
deserves to be 'heard' (and, more importantly, 'understood') if anyone here on Rennlist is truly
interested in engaging in a serious conversation on this topic! I simply ask some folks here that
are constantly making declarations about 'good dealers' (mainly those that they deal with & receive
benefit) and denigrading others for sins that their 'good dealers' are equally guilty of, to please
rethink their statements and be more honest & conscientious with our forum. Just recently on
this thread I found disturbing the undeserved harrasment of a female 'chat professional' at Walter's
with sophomoric / misogynist high jinks!
Post #324
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And the response to this harrasment should not be 'HahahahA' from any of us...much less from
a Porsche dealer principal!
No, we were once a better place.
And hopefully, we will be that
place again!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
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02-07-2018, 08:49 PM
#855
Rennlist Member
Whoopsy, for what it's worth, the dealership I worked at had a changeable GT3 allocation back in 2014 that no customer wanted due to to the engine issue. I know for a fact that we ordered it as a stock car (LF) and that it was built and delivered to us as a stock car. I sold it a few days after it came in and it was then that the customer's name was put on it for the first time. Also, when I would look at other dealers inventories, every now and then I would see (meaning LF as KF cars do not show up in the locator) V300 - V900 GT3s.
The only time I have ever experienced Porsche get on us to put a customer's name on a car was when they handed us a VIP allocation or an allocation for a specific customer. For example, I had a customer who worked for a major Porsche supplier who secured a GT3 allocation for himself and it was clearly communicated to me that his name must go on it right away. However, those allocations were not just "dumped" on us like all the other ones and I guess I don't see why a GT allocation would be treated differently than any other one.
Not calling you out - just stating that my experience was a bit different than what you describe. It is possible that things have changed since I left a couple years ago.
The only time I have ever experienced Porsche get on us to put a customer's name on a car was when they handed us a VIP allocation or an allocation for a specific customer. For example, I had a customer who worked for a major Porsche supplier who secured a GT3 allocation for himself and it was clearly communicated to me that his name must go on it right away. However, those allocations were not just "dumped" on us like all the other ones and I guess I don't see why a GT allocation would be treated differently than any other one.
Not calling you out - just stating that my experience was a bit different than what you describe. It is possible that things have changed since I left a couple years ago.
No offence taken.
Cheers bud!