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Originally Posted by evilfij
In the US there is nothing prohibiting dealers from ordering GT cars for stock. |
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Originally Posted by Whoopsy
(Post 14777468)
So they are going to have THREE!!! GT3s sitting in the showroom asking ADM.
A Dealer is NOT SUPPOSE to have even a single one sitting there as 'stock' car, all GT cars are suppose to be 'sold' customer cars. Each GT car is built to a customer, not a dealer. Basically this dealer withhold their allocations from customers, entered bogus customer informations on them to get Porsche to build them 3 'stock' cars. Another example of dealers, not VIPs are the evil entity. |
Originally Posted by evilfij
(Post 14777708)
In the US there is nothing prohibiting dealers from ordering GT cars for stock. Why do you think dealers had to resort to entering bogus information? If they enter a GT car in the system as a 'stock' car, that order will be deleted from the system. Porsche required every single GT car made is a 'sold' customer order. Most of the customers don't event know their name and information was stolen by the dealers to order cars. Only in very rare cases that PCNA catches those and contact the customer directly to ask about it. A dealer once pulled this trick and ordered a 911R using a 918 VIP's information. The customer was too high profile hence PCNA caught it that time. |
I have seen two GT3 build sheets that say stock or demo or something like that so that can’t be right. I agree using a VIP’s allocation (without permission) would be a serious issue. |
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
(Post 14777890)
There is in the agreement between PCNA and the dealer.
Why do you think dealers had to resort to entering bogus information? If they enter a GT car in the system as a 'stock' car, that order will be deleted from the system. Porsche required every single GT car made is a 'sold' customer order. Most of the customers don't event know their name and information was stolen by the dealers to order cars. Only in very rare cases that PCNA catches those and contact the customer directly to ask about it. A dealer once pulled this trick and ordered a 911R using a 918 VIP's information. The customer was too high profile hence PCNA caught it that time. |
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
(Post 14777890)
There is in the agreement between PCNA and the dealer.
Why do you think dealers had to resort to entering bogus information? If they enter a GT car in the system as a 'stock' car, that order will be deleted from the system. Porsche required every single GT car made is a 'sold' customer order. Most of the customers don't event know their name and information was stolen by the dealers to order cars. Only in very rare cases that PCNA catches those and contact the customer directly to ask about it. A dealer once pulled this trick and ordered a 911R using a 918 VIP's information. The customer was too high profile hence PCNA caught it that time. |
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
(Post 14777890)
There is in the agreement between PCNA and the dealer.
Why do you think dealers had to resort to entering bogus information? If they enter a GT car in the system as a 'stock' car, that order will be deleted from the system. Porsche required every single GT car made is a 'sold' customer order. Most of the customers don't event know their name and information was stolen by the dealers to order cars. Only in very rare cases that PCNA catches those and contact the customer directly to ask about it. A dealer once pulled this trick and ordered a 911R using a 918 VIP's information. The customer was too high profile hence PCNA caught it that time. |
Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
(Post 14778085)
Was this at a US dealer? Did PCNA punish the dealer for doing this? If I were the VIP, I would have sued the dealer.
The customer moved the VIP allocation to another dealer. PCNA also penalized the dealer. There was also a settlement in there somewhere. |
Originally Posted by ChicagoWhale
(Post 14777998)
This is completely and totally false. Every bit of it.
not sure who to believe. interesting story nonetheless |
This is totally false, as was your entire previous comment.
Dealers do not initiate the order for 918 VIP’s. If a 918 VIP wants to sit with the dealer to configure the car or make changes to his configuration, the dealer can do that. But dealers to not initiate the order. The scenario Whoopsy described is impossible. 918 VIP’s are sent an email directly from PCNA asking them if they want an allocation. If the 918 VIP says yes to PCNA, then PCNA puts a very specific allocation into the Electronic Handling Board (EHB) of that dealer. That allocation is specifically tagged as a 918 VIP order for that particular client — it originates directly from PCNA. The dealer then receives an email from PCNA that an allocation was just placed into the EHB for that client. Dealers do not go to PCNA and tell them a 918 VIP wants a car, and then order a bogus car under that VIP name; that's not how the process originates. While I understand you are a 918 VIP, I do not think you understand the internal mechanics of how the dealer is given your allocation. Spreading false information does not help anyone here. |
All interesting stories but ChicagoWhale's seems to be a very legit explanation.....
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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhale
(Post 14778774)
This is totally false, as was your entire previous comment.
Dealers do not initiate the order for 918 VIP’s. If a 918 VIP wants to sit with the dealer to configure the car or make changes to his configuration, the dealer can do that. But dealers to not initiate the order. The scenario Whoopsy described is impossible. 918 VIP’s are sent an email directly from PCNA asking them if they want an allocation. If the 918 VIP says yes to PCNA, then PCNA puts a very specific allocation into the Electronic Handling Board (EHB) of that dealer. That allocation is specifically tagged as a 918 VIP order for that particular client — it originates directly from PCNA. The dealer then receives an email from PCNA that an allocation was just placed into the EHB for that client. Dealers do not go to PCNA and tell them a 918 VIP wants a car, and then order a bogus car under that VIP name; that's not how the process originates. While I understand you are a 918 VIP, I do not think you understand the internal mechanics of how the dealer is given your allocation. Spreading false information does not help anyone here. Keep going. It's a Cali dealer is all I can say. And the customer is a well known figure. Actually quite a few on Rennlist knows about it too, it is quite well known among the 918 owners about this incident. |
The car was a PTS RS ordered by a Bay Area Dealer. The VIP is CEO of a huge tech company. They race big boats. Dealer ordered a green car. It ended up at CNC. VIP did not know about the order and it was a big issue. Pcna issued a "you're kicked out" letter. VIP was flabbergasted.
VIP emails are sent to the VIP from David Donohue and to the Dealer GM. If the VIP does not respond, the dealer can try and work slimy ways to get it anyway. It's hard but dealers have done weirder stuff. I could not get our VIP to accept the turbo S exclusive. He is getting a GT2RS however. |
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