New GT3/GT2RS Leads With/Without ADM
12-25-2018, 05:32 PM
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Not "knowing" Ron, aka evil, but seeing many of his prior comments and posts, I am sensing major sarcasm.
12-25-2018, 06:00 PM
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12-25-2018, 06:06 PM
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I'm not trying to sounds mean spirited or bitter, I'm just stating my opinion. I mean, we've seen something very similar happen with the .1RS a few years ago when ADMs got as high as $125k over. It's the same old thing with a different car. They are building 2RSs at least through Feb (and who knows if it goes beyond that point) so there will be at least 1,000 US cars. Last I checked the ADMs have gone from about $200k over to $50k over. You'll have most VIP owners list their cars for sale once they hit the 1 year ownership mark and then you have what's going on with the stock market which put push prices down further. The 2RS isn't the only GT going to be selling below MSRP in 2019, the 3RS along with the GT3 will also be selling below MSRP in 2019. The 2RS is a beast of a car and must be a blast to drive but thinking that it's some kind of special unicorn where it will trade above MSRP for the long haul is being beyond wishful. If you have a 2RS, enjoy driving it and don't worry what the value will be. Btw, Merry Christmas!
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12-25-2018, 09:03 PM
#3456
I guess I don't see these 991 GT cars as investments or garage art, to me they are cars to be driven and enjoyed. Any car that I don't drive, I sell because I'm not a collector. We are all lucky to be able to drive such wonderful cars.
12-25-2018, 09:39 PM
#3457
i have been in the GT2rs market and have an upcoming build. I have not seen nor heard of any cars from a dealer at 50k or anywhere near 50k over at this point. Please let us know which dealers are selling at that price.
12-26-2018, 12:30 AM
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You sound bitter with your constant, "the bottom will fall out of the GT2RS market." It's like you want it to happen to those (whom you call fanboys) fortunate enough to get one. I don't like ADM's either, I don't think any of us here do, but you sure seem to get enjoyment from trying to rain on other people's parade. What's up with you?
12-26-2018, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Miamistv
i have been in the GT2rs market and have an upcoming build. I have not seen nor heard of any cars from a dealer at 50k or anywhere near 50k over at this point. Please let us know which dealers are selling at that price.
So saying 50k allocations don't exist is bull. They do. So do 0adm and 150kadm. It depends on the customer and the dealer.
I am 110% confident I can pull a 2rs allocation at 50k adm. I'm not going to wind up a good dealer and post and email on here to prove a point. Neither will any of the guys that have that relationship abuse it to prove a point to the RL crowd. I can't get one at MSRP at the moment because i bartered that option away for something I wanted more at one of the good guy dealers that I gave good relationship with. That being said, if they spit a few more out than currently allocated, I will.
12-26-2018, 08:46 AM
#3460
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The 50k market has some good will built into it for the right customer and right dealer. If u r cold calling dealers across the county, most that will even respond to a "guy off the street" are looking to maximize an individual allocation to the highest bidder and still asking 100+. Other dealers that would tell a cold call they have none available would be more than willing to sell a 2rs at 50k over to a good customer; but, in fairness, most of those dealers would sell it to their customers at MSRP. I'm willing to bet the lion-share of 2rs and 3rs AND R's were/are sold at MSRP. Those are all going to long-standing dealer/customer relationships (again, the lion-share of all RS transactions). Anyone in my personal data-set (granted, it's only long-term Porsche enthusiasts) have ALL bought every 991rs (including the 2rs) at list.
So saying 50k allocations don't exist is bull. They do. So do 0adm and 150kadm. It depends on the customer and the dealer.
I am 110% confident I can pull a 2rs allocation at 50k adm. I'm not going to wind up a good dealer and post and email on here to prove a point. Neither will any of the guys that have that relationship abuse it to prove a point to the RL crowd. I can't get one at MSRP at the moment because i bartered that option away for something I wanted more at one of the good guy dealers that I gave good relationship with. That being said, if they spit a few more out than currently allocated, I will.
So saying 50k allocations don't exist is bull. They do. So do 0adm and 150kadm. It depends on the customer and the dealer.
I am 110% confident I can pull a 2rs allocation at 50k adm. I'm not going to wind up a good dealer and post and email on here to prove a point. Neither will any of the guys that have that relationship abuse it to prove a point to the RL crowd. I can't get one at MSRP at the moment because i bartered that option away for something I wanted more at one of the good guy dealers that I gave good relationship with. That being said, if they spit a few more out than currently allocated, I will.
12-26-2018, 09:08 AM
#3461
How can you “barter” with a dealer to get an allocation by not buying a car from them. I would think that they would want you to buy a car regardless of whether it was MSRP or over in order for you to get something else unique.
12-26-2018, 11:44 AM
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One of my mclaren customers got two cars and texted me that he is 'willing to let his chalk car go"
It has 400 miles. His asking price is sensible compared to others but he is trying to make a profit.
It has 400 miles. His asking price is sensible compared to others but he is trying to make a profit.
12-26-2018, 03:57 PM
#3464
VIP customers purchased their GT cars at MSRP. I believe the statement that most others purchased their cars at MSRP is not correct. I believe that the current ADM for an untitled GT2rs is between 100 to 150 over MSRP, depending upon, a buildable allocation, color, options, the dealer's financial condition at the moment, and whatever is happening to the economy. To be sure, on some of the more common builds (GT Silver) if one catches the dealer at the right time one may be able to complete a purchase for a little less. Why should a dealer give away profits? Many dealer are very limited in the allocations that they receive. I am not a cold caller. I have had many Porsches and currently have a 991 TTS Cab, in addition to many other high end sports cars. I have a good relationship with dealers and am friends with an owner. I am accepted as a serious buyer. I base my opinion not on conjecture, but on rejected offers. I do not believe that there are many 2019s to be built, but others with more knowledge may weigh in. In the overall scheme, there are more buyers of these vehicles than in previous editions and there really are not that many for sale. Many believe that after production is complete the values will rise. I am not in this camp. I unhappily accept heavy depreciation for the joy of driving such a fast, fun, great looking and capable vehicle.
12-26-2018, 04:16 PM
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VIP customers purchased their GT cars at MSRP. I believe the statement that most others purchased their cars at MSRP is not correct. I believe that the current ADM for an untitled GT2rs is between 100 to 150 over MSRP, depending upon, a buildable allocation, color, options, the dealer's financial condition at the moment, and whatever is happening to the economy. To be sure, on some of the more common builds (GT Silver) if one catches the dealer at the right time one may be able to complete a purchase for a little less. Why should a dealer give away profits? Many dealer are very limited in the allocations that they receive. I am not a cold caller. I have had many Porsches and currently have a 991 TTS Cab, in addition to many other high end sports cars. I have a good relationship with dealers and am friends with an owner. I am accepted as a serious buyer. I base my opinion not on conjecture, but on rejected offers. I do not believe that there are many 2019s to be built, but others with more knowledge may weigh in. In the overall scheme, there are more buyers of these vehicles than in previous editions and there really are not that many for sale. Many believe that after production is complete the values will rise. I am not in this camp. I unhappily accept heavy depreciation for the joy of driving such a fast, fun, great looking and capable vehicle.