goin2drt

It's all a racket. Said dealer sells a GT car to a "good" customer at MSRP. Said dealer(s) then earns his "good guy" dealer status. Then said dealer gets the car back with "delivery" or "low" miles and marks the crap out of it to what they say is "market value". Said dealer and seller then share in the profit. The routine continues onto the next GT car. All the while these same folks post over and over again how they are getting their GT cars at MSRP and they are their dream cars etc etc etc. Problem is with this practice we get a bunch of iffy specced cars and the real drivers have to select from the built ones already.

Whereas if these so called "good guy" dealers actually just sold to people that actually want to drive and track the cars they would get thread after thread and post after post with those drivers sharing the experience and story of that great dealer. Instead you just see a bunch of marked up GT3's for sale.

GT3RS-Fan1

All valid points. You have just exposed a different system of "flipping."

Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1

MEM82

+1

2006m5

ipse dixit

FIFY

sampelligrino

+2, preach my man

usctrojanGT3

Haha You are too funny. So at what point would I have not been considered a flipper? If the car had over 1,000 miles? 2,000 miles? After 1 year? After 2 years? There was no requirement for me to sell the car to PNH to get my RS allocation as I got it months before. I work in a relationship business where you take care of the people that take care of you, it's called good karma. They gave me an MSRP allocation without me having to beg and plead for it so in my book they got first dibs on the car when I was done with it (I sell cars that I don't drive because I'm not a collector). PNH purchased the car from me, there was no profit split and I didn't consign it to them. They gave me a fair price and I didn't have to deal with the tire kickers, posers, and time wasters. And if you think that PNH told me how to spec my car then I think you need a tinfoil hat because I specced every single option including the red brakes.

mcsmcs1

In retrospect, would have been better to not have posted that for sale news eh Martin? What a can of worms.

usctrojanGT3

Nah, my thread was EPIC! I get a kick out of how some people think I'm a flipper.

2006m5

goin2drt

SJJ28

I have to imagine that if the people who complain NON STOP about the adm situations and are real buyers, spent their time developing a relationship with a dealer (spend time there, be nice, show true enthusiasm, and don't bitch complain about the adm situation), they too would end up with a specable allocation atbor very near msrp. That's how it has worked for me. I returned my GT4 to them for a small loss when I decided to order my GT3. They sold it quickly for a tidy profit. And I'm happy for them...

My bet however is that most of the people continually complaining aren't even real buyers if the opportunity presented itself.

sampelligrino

Just curious (I guess we are on a witch hunt?) - since PNH didn't ask you to give them first rights to the PTS GT3 when you had your .2 3RS allocation secured with them, why not sell your GT3 then at cost to someone on RL to enjoy? Because when you give them the car "for a fair price" and don't pay taxes on the car, I'm a bit confused. That feels like a flip to me. Maybe if there was a 991.2 GT3RS 4.2 or some limited thing, we'd see your 991.2 3RS with delivery miles being sold with an ADM @ PNH as well. Would feel like a flip to me... John at PNH is/was a pleasure to chat with and of course I never expected a GT3 allocation call from him, but to see the amount of GT cars that store is pulling in and flipping over asking is notable considering how many on here wanted to buy, drive, and enjoy these cars at MSRP. I think maintaining a relationship with a dealer is a smart move for that pipeline access to GT cars @ MSRP, but I don't think maintaining a relationship and flipping are mutually exclusive? That's what irked me just a wee bit about a champion of MSRP and the King stealer basher, and then we see your gorgeous car @ PNH market priced. They seem to be a stealer for everyone except the lucky few who maintain a relationship by handing their GT cars to PNH to sell above asking while they get more cars at MSRP to do with as they like, drive and enjoy (seemingly rare), flip themselves, or wash their hands and let PNH do the flipping for them.

I like reading about the stories of the dealers who have held out and maintain MSRP lists, so you wait and if you get the call, you get the allocation @ MSRP. No games, ADM, relationship stuff. Seem to be the smaller guys and maybe those guys are more and more falling by the wayside which is sad. To hear the RL guys say they got the call and get to spec their car, that excitement is what it is all about. Even though I never got that call and had to pay an ADM for the best car I've owned to date, I'm happy for them when I see that. The saddest part is I'm even being told *now* that for the 992 GT3 some dealers are already taking lists/names down, but at market price only...FOH!!!

There are much bigger problems in the world than this..but its Saturday AM and I'm waiting for coffee to brew

EDIT - also the reason why I'm thinking out loud here is because Porsche is more and more becoming like Ferrari in this sense with the GT cars and the unclear games/politics needed to secure a car you really want when you have cash in hand. Especially when everything else is getting more digital, less analog (yes even though my car is PDK!), more electric, more turbo. Porsche used to be a brand I loved (even though I couldn't afford a 911 at the time) because it represented the German way of doing the sports car, simple to the point amazing cars in a subtle understated way. It wasn't as flashy and pretentious as Ferrari (apparently). Now, they are taking pages out of Ferrari's book. I'm waiting to hear someone having to buy a Panamera Turbo S e-Hybrid and and sell it back to dealer next day at a $50-75k loss for that "GT allocation" and sign agreements for right of first refusal... especially as PAG shifts focus to the Mission E/more electric production, I am left wondering what games we will deal with for 992 gen to simply get these GT cars.

GiuseppeM

MEM82

Im not here to call anyone out. The truth of the matter is that there are way too many low mileage cars for sale so soon after release, initially ordered by customers who had no intention of keeping them. Individual situations change, and some get the unexpected allocation for the next gt model, but we know that does not account for the majority of cars for sale.

​​​​​​It's unfortunate for those people who wanted to create, keep and enjoy their cars.