Originally Posted by 996AE

Test drove the T yesterday at local P car dealer.

Wow.

Impressive.

5k off MSRP without asking. With a little work got 10k off.

992 T will be produced so I am guessing they want to move these.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...carrera-t-992/


My trade value was terrible so I passed on the deal. As soon as i sell my 08 997 a T will be added to my garage.

Originally Posted by stout

^ Yep. And same goes for even the "mere" Carrera. They're closer than most people realize...

Drove my first Carrera 7MT to SFO to fly to the Carrera T/GT3 Touring event in South of France, and found the only obvious differences were the shifter (notably nicer), cabin sound (a bit nicer), and LSD (nice, but the rear-engined Carrera rarely has issues with putting power down). SPASM didn't seem as different from PASM as it had in the 991.1 era...as though it's a matter of aesthetics more than substantive tuning differences—something an engineer confirmed as part of the 991.1 > 991.2 progression, making the standard setup keener and the sport setup more livable according to customer feedback. The T seemed to me to be a marketing move with a goofy name, albeit a very nice package.

Drove the very same Carrera 7MT to a Carrera T/718 GTS event in Napa several months later, and found the handling differences hard to parse from one day to the next, this on great roads I know well. The T was brilliant in both basic 7MT and loaded PDK w/RAS forms, two different flavors. But then, so is the Carrera…

It wasn't until we took a Carrera 7MT and a Carrera T 7MT for a 700~mile loop test for 000 that the Carrera T set itself apart, and its advantages were obvious albeit still pretty subtle. It was a fun test, and while one of us preferred the T, two of us actually preferred the Carrera (but not for reasons that most people would value). Thus, the T "won"—but not by much.

For my second Carrera (a potential keeper), I was torn between a PTS Carrera or a Carrera T...as I wanted SPASM and LSD, but prefer my 911s in dark green and didn't love PSE or the T's forced branding hits and mandatory gray wheels. It was a 51/49 situation...



^ Interesting feedback. Love observations of subtleties like this. Need to look for/at that next time I am in a GT3 6MT.



^ Yep. Add PCCB (I would), RAS, and/or LWBS (I wouldn't) and things only get closer.

As for what you've got bolded? Just as I view Guards Red as the new PTS, I've wondered if the CT is in some ways the new GT—a driver's car for those who don't much care if there's "something better/faster" out there, and will use the car without guilt. It's no GT3, but it's pretty appealing as its own ball of wax and a very complete, all-uses 911.

Originally Posted by sgroer

Fortunately I am able to pair my T with a GT car, and sincerely hope that I'll always have the means to do that. However, if I had to go to one 911 (Gasp!) it would be the T, hands down, no contest. I've had every machination of 991 GT car there is, and as we know they are incredible cars. However, what the T does far better is the essence of the 911. Not just livable, but an absolute joy to drive around town, even more fun in the mountains, capable on the track. I thought the T was a 60-90 day hold while the next GT arrives, but the damn car flipped my sports car priorities upside down. I instantly connected to the car and immediately started thinking I may never sell this one. Plus my T "only" set me back $98k.

Where the T falls short would be on the track. I've never tracked it... may do it at some point just to see what it's like. With the base Carrera brakes, lower power, and much lower overall grip, I don't know how I'd feel about it. If I was going to the track regularly, a GT would make a ton more sense. But, the majority of my driving is around town and into the mountains, where the T shines.

I was talking to the new head of Sports Cars for PCNA at the 992 preview event at PEC a couple weeks ago... We discussed the fact that with such low volumes (far lower than even GT2RS) and the fact that the T is the last narrow body "special" 911, it ironically could be the future classic. I certainly won't drive it like a classic - about to cross 4000 miles in 3 months of ownership. I sat in the 992 at PEC, and felt they will not be able to extract the charm of the T out of it... minimalist, analog, pure. I don't see it happening.

I know as cofounder of Smokies and on a GT board this seems like blasphemy, but go drive a T with a manual, RAS and 4 ways (nothing else needed) and try to tell me it's not hilariously fun. The car is far more than the sum of its parts - it seems like a parts bin special, but it is such a great combo of GT elements, everyday drivability and unique packaging that it just never gets old.

Originally Posted by _fletch

Thanks so much for posting this. Your head is exactly where mine is. My GT3 is awesome (the engine!!) but I find myself not driving it as much as I should. I think it's compromised some of the livability and utility that, now I really see as a important, defining characteristic of the 911 DNA.

My questions to owners of both the T and GT3 are:

• Hows the cabin noise level compared with the GT3, particularly at highway cruise speeds?
• How's the ground clearance on the nose compared to the GT3? I understand there's two front fascia options on the T - one of them looks like it would scrape more easily than the other.

Thanks in advance for your answers

Originally Posted by stout

With your last breath, I sincerely doubt "I regret getting the GT3" will be among your thoughts....

You chose well. The 4.0 flat six is 250 GTO V12 good, despite half the cylinders. Maybe better. A real masterpiece...and the rest of the car ain't bad either.

Originally Posted by 996AE

My local dealer said no more 2019 t orders

Anyone hear differently?

Newport Beach Porsche has 4 t cars on lot. Two gt silver, one yellow and one white.

Originally Posted by sgroer

Highway noise in the T is lower than GT3, but not by much. There is reduction of insulation in the T and thinner gorilla glass. If I had one issue with the T it would be highway noise, even though it's not at GT3 levels.

I don't have the sport design kit, don't like it as I think the black base T front splitter is awesome looking. Compared to a GT3, it's like driving an SUV. I've scraped just once and don't find myself engineering new entries to places unless it's just obviously a tough spot. The time I scraped, it was a boneheaded move trying to enter a driveway that was much too steep and I knew it. The sport design, IMO, looks worse and takes away from the day to day joys of driving a T as it seems lower.

Originally Posted by _fletch

Thank you for the really helpful info!!! Rusnak has a T on the lot - I think i'm going to take it for a test drive based on the posts in this thread. It will be a really tough decision to get rid of the GT3T

Originally Posted by Zeus993

Pete - just about to lock down my T order and I'm vacillating between White and GR. The new PTS? Nice! Any more thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by Jimmy-D

If your GT3T is not your DD and you do not need the money- I think you nuts to trade it. No matter how good people post about it - it is still not a GT3 and the 4.0 NA is so special that you may/will regret this down the road