911 Carrera T
10-22-2017, 10:07 PM
#17
Ok. After reading I gotta say, sounds like the best version of the regular (non-GT) 911 range....
LWB bucket seats (unavailable on anything other than a GT car otherwise), manual trans w/shorter throws, SPASM suspension lower 20mm, mechanical rear diff, and some nice cosmetic bits especially on interior that would otherwise only be doable at high cost with Exclusive. cool.
Put another way, this is what the base 911 should have always been. Despite less power, with a manual, buckets, SPASM and rear diff, this will probably be the most entertaining 911 short of a GT3 to wind out and run through some of your favorite twisty roads. Too bad they couldn’t just toss in the old NA engine from the 991.1 GTS!
Still, though, the naming confuses it with the GT3 Touring.
gotta also point this out:
For the same or less money, I’d take a GT4 or 981 Spyder every day of the week. Better handling, just as good looking inside and out if not better looking, and most importantly, that wonderful wonderful wail of a natural aspirated high revving flat 6.
Used GT4s and 981 Spyders with low miles that are CPO (even with the bucket seats and other good options) are selling for right around the $100K mark, the same as the base price for this new 911T.
When the 718 GT4 and Spyder come out in next year with probably a detuned 4.0 NA flat 6, they’ll be priced similar to a well optioned 911T and again, will be far more engaging to drive and will hold their values far better long term.
LWB bucket seats (unavailable on anything other than a GT car otherwise), manual trans w/shorter throws, SPASM suspension lower 20mm, mechanical rear diff, and some nice cosmetic bits especially on interior that would otherwise only be doable at high cost with Exclusive. cool.
Put another way, this is what the base 911 should have always been. Despite less power, with a manual, buckets, SPASM and rear diff, this will probably be the most entertaining 911 short of a GT3 to wind out and run through some of your favorite twisty roads. Too bad they couldn’t just toss in the old NA engine from the 991.1 GTS!
Still, though, the naming confuses it with the GT3 Touring.
gotta also point this out:
For the same or less money, I’d take a GT4 or 981 Spyder every day of the week. Better handling, just as good looking inside and out if not better looking, and most importantly, that wonderful wonderful wail of a natural aspirated high revving flat 6.
Used GT4s and 981 Spyders with low miles that are CPO (even with the bucket seats and other good options) are selling for right around the $100K mark, the same as the base price for this new 911T.
When the 718 GT4 and Spyder come out in next year with probably a detuned 4.0 NA flat 6, they’ll be priced similar to a well optioned 911T and again, will be far more engaging to drive and will hold their values far better long term.
10-22-2017, 10:16 PM
#20
I guess when you get down to it, this car is the answer the to the question, “if you had to buy a modern 911 as a purist driver’s car, and you couldn’t afford a GT3 much less a GTS, and you also have something against the GT4 and 981 Spyder, and if you also can’t possibly consider buying a used 991.1 anything (or none of those are available to buy anywhere anymore)...”
Well, if all that were true, then yeah, the new 911T would be the car for you.
Well, if all that were true, then yeah, the new 911T would be the car for you.
10-22-2017, 10:48 PM
#22
10-22-2017, 10:50 PM
#23
10-22-2017, 10:50 PM
#24
Ok. After reading I gotta say, sounds like the best version of the regular (non-GT) 911 range....
LWB bucket seats (unavailable on anything other than a GT car otherwise), manual trans w/shorter throws, SPASM suspension lower 20mm, mechanical rear diff, and some nice cosmetic bits especially on interior that would otherwise only be doable at high cost with Exclusive. cool.
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LWB bucket seats (unavailable on anything other than a GT car otherwise), manual trans w/shorter throws, SPASM suspension lower 20mm, mechanical rear diff, and some nice cosmetic bits especially on interior that would otherwise only be doable at high cost with Exclusive. cool.
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10-22-2017, 11:01 PM
#26
911T is manual or PDK. Sure, for folks who want manual, a used GT3 might no be of interest. But that makes it even more clear how niche a market the 911T is made for (who would want the PDK version of it?!)
even ideally configured (buckets, manual), it’d Still be less interesting than a GT4.
even ideally configured (buckets, manual), it’d Still be less interesting than a GT4.
10-22-2017, 11:14 PM
#27
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I guess when you get down to it, this car is the answer the to the question, “if you had to buy a modern 911 as a purist driver’s car, and you couldn’t afford a GT3 much less a GTS, and you also have something against the GT4 and 981 Spyder, and if you also can’t possibly consider buying a used 991.1 anything (or none of those are available to buy anywhere anymore)...”
Well, if all that were true, then yeah, the new 911T would be the car for you.
Well, if all that were true, then yeah, the new 911T would be the car for you.
Playing that game does get tiresome.
10-22-2017, 11:20 PM
#28
911T is manual or PDK. Sure, for folks who want manual, a used GT3 might no be of interest. But that makes it even more clear how niche a market the 911T is made for (who would want the PDK version of it?!)
even ideally configured (buckets, manual), it’d Still be less interesting than a GT4.
even ideally configured (buckets, manual), it’d Still be less interesting than a GT4.
10-22-2017, 11:22 PM
#29
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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Right, but a 911 is a 911 and a cayman or boxster is not. New GT4 and spyders will have the same ADM game driving up the costs.
The NA ship has sailed, but otherwise this is pretty much the 911 everyone has been asking for. Value package with the common performance options including stuff you can’t get on an S or even get without a 4. Sport chonro modes without the wart. Add some lightness without megabucks CF and mag. LWBs and rear seat delete and radio delete and ditches the hideous silver interior trim for black. I mean even a shorter final drive.
Given that the engine is the same internally base to GTS eventually someone will figure out how to add a power kit ($6k) to the base (hack the ECU) and you have a very fast car for $50k less than a GT3 which will weigh less and be faster than an S or a GTS. Hell, there is absolutely nothing stopping porsche from offering a power kit directly once production of the 991.2 ends so it does not poach S and GTS sales. The parts are the same (new turbos) it’s just the ECU tune that Porsche won’t do on a base.
The real interesting question is what demand and supply will look like for this car. I think demand will be really strong. There are a lot of disappointed would be GT3 (especially touring) buyers out there and it is a lot of car for a lot less. It will be interesting to see if the standard 911 discounts can be had on this model as it is much more attractive proposition for the enthusiast crowd.
The NA ship has sailed, but otherwise this is pretty much the 911 everyone has been asking for. Value package with the common performance options including stuff you can’t get on an S or even get without a 4. Sport chonro modes without the wart. Add some lightness without megabucks CF and mag. LWBs and rear seat delete and radio delete and ditches the hideous silver interior trim for black. I mean even a shorter final drive.
Given that the engine is the same internally base to GTS eventually someone will figure out how to add a power kit ($6k) to the base (hack the ECU) and you have a very fast car for $50k less than a GT3 which will weigh less and be faster than an S or a GTS. Hell, there is absolutely nothing stopping porsche from offering a power kit directly once production of the 991.2 ends so it does not poach S and GTS sales. The parts are the same (new turbos) it’s just the ECU tune that Porsche won’t do on a base.
The real interesting question is what demand and supply will look like for this car. I think demand will be really strong. There are a lot of disappointed would be GT3 (especially touring) buyers out there and it is a lot of car for a lot less. It will be interesting to see if the standard 911 discounts can be had on this model as it is much more attractive proposition for the enthusiast crowd.
