mchrono

We have to remember that the OP is in California, where essentially everything is taxed. Cars are taxed at full sales price every time they are sold, even to subsequent owners. The state can wind up collecting perhaps 50% of the car's value during it's lifetime. There is no tax credit for trade-in either. Highly doubtful that OP will be able to avoid tax on the ADM, but please post update when you actually complete your .2 purchase!

kbGT

Haha - you just answered your own question: a couple extra grand is a couple of extra grand! I've never paid a markup before, so I'm not well-versed in the mechanics of it, hence my prodding on strategies. The way I see it is that there's no harm in asking a question if it turns up a way to save enough money to pay for a luxury weekend getaway in the new GT3!

Sorry for the confusion; I'm certainly not trying to flip my already-marked-up allocation. That would be silly! It was my tongue-and-cheek way of saying "if anyone has a lead on an MSRP allocation without ADM attached, lemme know and I'll ditch my current one in a heartbeat." Unfortunately, out of the 30+ dealers I've called, the best I've been able to find is a five-figure markup.

Thanks again for the answers all! Late April can't come soon enough!!!

Cheers,

Kevin

kbGT

One of the many financial penalties of living in California, it seems. Good thing real estate is cheap here to offset...

Will definitely post actively here where the .2 comes! Very excited to join the community and share in Porsche-related passion with y'all.

kbGT

Haha - I think you just answered your own question: a couple of grand is a couple of grand! I've never paid a dealer markup before, hence me asking questions about spend optimization strategies. The way I see it, if there's a legit way to save a few grand and put it towards a luxury weekend getaway in the GT3, why not?!?

Sorry for any confusion; I'm certainly not trying to flip an already-marked-up allocation. That would be silly! That was my tongue-in-cheek way of saying "if anyone has a lead on an @MSRP allocation, let me know and I'll ditch my +ADM one quicker than you can blink an eye." Sadly, out of the 30+ dealers I've contacted, the best I've been able to find on my own is a low-five-figure markup. I'm hoping that there are smarter and more well-connected people than me here, just waiting for the chance to do a good deed for a fellow car nut. Haha!

Either way, I can't wait to have this fantastic machine in my garage. After having done wheel-to-wheel racing for 6+ years, and my work schedule forcing me into a racing hiatus for the past 3-4 years, I'm excited to have a machine for the street that approaches that same level of excitement on a daily basis!!!

STG

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Good luck. It will be an amazing car.

The chances of an MSRP allocation dropping out of the sky is slim to none. I think $10K-$15K for a configurable allocation seems to be the ADM going rate?

kbGT

Seems like that's the *very* low end of the ADM market by now. Based on my personal experiences calling around, and what I'm seeing in various RL threads that beat the ADM topic to death, it seems like most slots are going for $20k at the low end, and $80k(!!!!) at the high end. Pretty nuts. Capitalism at its best, I suppose...

nxfedlt1

80? uh... no. I think 20 is the high end based on the dealers with availability at that. We are still talking about the GT3 right and not another car?

kbGT

Yes. That was not a typo. I had a sales person at a Bay Area-based dealership try to sell me a 2018 991.2 GT3 January build for $80,000 USD over MSRP. At first, I thought he'd said eighteen thousand, and he corrected me to eighty thousand when I first parroted his offer back to him. Just insane!

Most dealers I spoke with on the phone either said they were sold out (all non-ADM dealers were) and the vast majority of them (probably another 7 of the 30 I called) were $20k at the low end and most commonly $30-35k. I also had dealers try to tell me that a PDK allocation would be $20k, and a manual $30k...even though they come from the same damn pool of allocations! This was as of 2 weeks ago. If you have better luck than I, please let me know whom with!

Cheers,

Kevin

WernerE

Sorry, but ADMs are taxable in California (see below):

Are services subject to sales tax in California?

California does not generally collect sales taxes on services. However, services which are "inseparable from the sale of a physical product" (such as setup of a purchased machine) and fabrication/assembly services (services which create tangible personal property) are considered taxable.

Too, any dealer would be crazy to deliver a car without collecting sales tax on the ADM, because under audit the Board of Equalization will collect from the dealer, not the customer.

kbGT

Well, there ya have it! Clear as day, and totally makes sense. Appreciate the answer.

CAlexio

Which is one of the reasons I’m always surprised at how often people change cars here.. we just pay taxes over and Over on cars. I used to change cars frequently when j lived east coast, now just the idea of changing my mind on a car makes me shudder

BillNye

Don't feel too badly. Michigan is the same way. And yearly plate renewals are based on the original MSRP (post 198x).

996SPECticle

I almost see how the dealer could benefit unless you had satchels of cash or trades, but they could help if they wanted.This stuff is so easy at the lesser $$$ and dealer level, the %'s once @ GT3

kbGT

Problem solved. Just scored an abandoned customer-spec'ed GT3 for end-of-month delivery at MSRP! Damn near the exact spec I was custom ordering. Woohoo!!!

You'll see me proudly posting snazzy pics of my ADM-free Carmine Red GT3 (6MT, buckets, PCCB) on my birthday (NYE) as I drive it up PCH. Can't wait!!!

Now, I just can't decide whether keeping the Carmine Red (6MT, buckets, PCCB) GT4 in the garage as well is massive overkill...I sure know what the wife thinks....

Cheers,

Kevin

Billy Wyatt

So funny there we 3 ENZO's at Scottsdale Cars and Coffee this weekend and all had MONTANA plates.