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Old 01-21-2018, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RUF RS
I have an idea: For every post, and for every minute spent posting about values, production numbers.....and BLAH BLAH...we should ALL SPEND 10 MINUTES DRIVING OUR CARS....
While I agree with you, I have 3 months before I take delivery and then another 2 month wait for the car to come stateside after so this helps pass the time

I say that in regards to everything but value, the value stuff just detracts from the car.
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Originally Posted by WernerE


Intermission break:

Pors9: Awesome database! Your data squares with what I know about the limited run of 997 Turbo S Edition Spyder. For the 2012 model year, there were 40 units produced and for 2013, there were 6. Of these 6, 5 are Cabriolets. I might have the last 2013 Turbo S Edition Spyder Cabriolet made. 🤔. Want to check the number of your Porsche, here’s the link:

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Thanks ... good stuff ... cool car. I assume you saw the one sold at Pebble 2017 as I recall $180k hammer?
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Originally Posted by pors9
Thanks ... good stuff ... cool car. I assume you saw the one sold at Pebble 2017 as I recall $180k hammer?
Yes, but Mecam didn’t know what they had and advertised there were 918 of them produced. Auctioneer fail. These cars are more rare than Speedsters.

With regard to 991.1 GT3 RS, is your 7,500 WW production # extrapolated from U.S, sales, which your site publishes? It seems there would be decent correlation between U.S sales and Other countries to impute a WW #. Waxer wont be happy with a 7,500 #.
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Originally Posted by WernerE

Auctioneer fail.
Yes seems to be an awful lot of that going on any more .. but usually its going the other way overstating the rarity.

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With regard to 991.1 GT3 RS, is your 7,500 WW production # extrapolated from U.S, sales, which your site publishes?
The US number is the number and the global production number comes from a very credible source. Seems to be some sort of presumption about how many are produced for a given market related to extraneous non factors - such as making the assumption that there is a global production limit or that the % of one model produced for a given market correlates somehow with the % of a different model produced for that market. But when there is no global production limit the number is simply just the number ordered in a given market as I previously stated - maybe not so clearly - in previous posts. The only relevant % - and this is just a guide to know that you are in the ball park and not out of the field - is the % of total production for a given market in a given year.
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Originally Posted by pors9
Yes seems to be an awful lot of that going on any more .. but usually its going the other way overstating the rarity.



The US number is the number and the global production number comes from a very credible source. Seems to be some sort of presumption about how many are produced for a given market related to extraneous non factors - such as making the assumption that there is a global production limit or that the % of one model produced for a given market correlates somehow with the % of a different model produced for that market. But when there is no global production limit the number is simply just the number ordered in a given market as I previously stated - maybe not so clearly - in previous posts. The only relevant % - and this is just a guide to know that you are in the ball park and not out of the field - is the % of total production for a given market in a given year.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rather extended build run of the 991.1 RS was made to satisfy USA demand, was it not? Therefore the percentage of cars for the North American market would likely be a larger percentage of the total build. I was also under the impression that certain markets did not obtain many if at all due to regulations, hence more were deviated to NA market further increasing the NA percentage. I really don't care, but I just remember reading these things over the last year and half. Thanks!
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Purely anecdotal, but for the 3 or 4 markets in Asia that I visit frequently and am in touch with some of the car guys, there were about 3 times the number of 991.1 RS compared to previous RS generations.
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Originally Posted by Carlos993
Purely anecdotal, but for the 3 or 4 markets in Asia that I visit frequently and am in touch with some of the car guys, there were about 3 times the number of 991.1 RS compared to previous RS generations.
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Originally Posted by Carlos993
Purely anecdotal, but for the 3 or 4 markets in Asia that I visit frequently and am in touch with some of the car guys, there were about 3 times the number of 991.1 RS compared to previous RS generations.
Pdk and the strength of 997rs values made it a super-desired car. And sounds like Porsche capitalized.
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Originally Posted by disden
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rather extended build run of the 991.1 RS was made to satisfy USA demand, was it not? Therefore the percentage of cars for the North American market would likely be a larger percentage of the total build. I was also under the impression that certain markets did not obtain many if at all due to regulations, hence more were deviated to NA market further increasing the NA percentage. I really don't care, but I just remember reading these things over the last year and half. Thanks!
These are good points.
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Originally Posted by TylerCoupe
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Originally Posted by spydersmiley According to a recently published book on the 911R, 290+ (out of 991) were built for the US, so almost 30%.










Originally Posted by PORS9 "We are pretty on it .. I don't believe this is correct or even close"

Pors9 - I know this thread is jumping around a little bit and most of the production volume debate has been on the GT3.1 RS but now I am confused. With respect to the 911R US deliveries you reference as wrong above - I believe about 30% of the 918s came to US so not surprised that about 30% of R units came to US. When you say not correct or even close - what is the number you think it is? Just curious. - Edit - NM found it in your data. your data estimates 191 US and 218 total in North America. Interesting
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Being home with flu I had time to read the new book about the 991 R. The authors are Mäder/Konradsheim/Gruber. The book is available in English and German. It is very expensive, but extremely well done. The authors list all of the 991Rs with their FIN, the production number, the country code, the colour and the main features of equipment. For the US (Country Code C02) the Book lists 296 cars, individually. for Canada (Country Code 36), the Book lists further 27 cars. So the total of Rs delivered for the entire northamerican market would be 323.
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Originally Posted by spydersmiley

The authors list all of the 991Rs with their FIN.
Konradsheim is a highly credible author. Does it list the full 17 digit VIN for the North American cars or just the last six or three digits? Sorry you have the flu!
Old 01-23-2018, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pors9
Konradsheim is a highly credible author. Does it list the full 17 digit VIN for the North American cars or just the last six or three digits? Sorry you have the flu!
Looks like the full number. The first listed C02 car is number 3/991, WP0AF2A90GS195320, color code U2. The last listed C02 car is number 962/991, WP0AF2A90GS195092, color code 0Q.
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911 R vins run from 63 to 384 for NA plus or minus a couple.
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Originally Posted by Loess
911 R vins run from 63 to 384 for NA plus or minus a couple.
I see they are listed by their limitation #. I will have to get that book! I have his Carrera RS book is very thorough. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by pors9
I see they are listed by their limitation #. I will have to get that book! I have his Carrera RS book is very thorough. Thank you.
The book is really a good read, goes in extreme detail and is very nicely done. The only downside is its price, but it‘s worth the money.


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