Need help picking track tires for my 991 GT3RS
#31
Burning Brakes
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On a GT3 they come stock with 20s so going down to 19s is one inch on both front and back.
On a GT3RS they come stock with 20s in the front and 21s in the rear so your only going down one inch in the front but 2 in the back.
So using the same configuration with 265/35/19 and 325/30/19 wont work since you will need a back tire with a larger profile to be closer to stock stagger and ratio.
I am willing to bet that your RS friends are turning off TC to be able to use these tires without TC issues.
If you could confirm, that would be very helpful.
Last edited by GT345; 10-29-2017 at 11:53 AM.
#32
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Thank you.
My 19” are on the way.
Another RS owner confirmed with me that 295 will fit in front but sticks out beyond the black front bumper extensions and will create more drag.
Will try 235 front as the ratio front to rear stays closer to oem ratio.
I figure the biggest advantage going to 19” is being able to drop the car a lot so the front will find most grip as it can drop more. So no reason to max out front width.
I would only run 345 rear due to higher load rating and I still wouldn’t run it at Daytona and other high speed tracks. Not so much a problem in Kalifornia.
With that in mind I will try diffuser, maybe more wing and soften rear bar as well..
SC going nuts will be a no-go for me.
A bit more rake will have funny effects on diffuser and wing.
Plan is to test diffuser and ceramic rotors this coming weekend and the 19” Hoosiers DEC 9+10.
This will be 2 full days of testing with setup at Sebring but I hope to share more in December..
My 19” are on the way.
Another RS owner confirmed with me that 295 will fit in front but sticks out beyond the black front bumper extensions and will create more drag.
Will try 235 front as the ratio front to rear stays closer to oem ratio.
I figure the biggest advantage going to 19” is being able to drop the car a lot so the front will find most grip as it can drop more. So no reason to max out front width.
I would only run 345 rear due to higher load rating and I still wouldn’t run it at Daytona and other high speed tracks. Not so much a problem in Kalifornia.
With that in mind I will try diffuser, maybe more wing and soften rear bar as well..
SC going nuts will be a no-go for me.
A bit more rake will have funny effects on diffuser and wing.
Plan is to test diffuser and ceramic rotors this coming weekend and the 19” Hoosiers DEC 9+10.
This will be 2 full days of testing with setup at Sebring but I hope to share more in December..
Also if you run the 295/345 combo, I can guarantee you will have TC issues.
Not sure the ratio but the stagger is better with the 235s in the front and 345s in the rear, but I am willing to bet you are going to have serious understeer problems, but maybe changing up the sway bars to soft in the front might help.
The stock stagger on the RS is 1.4, with the 235/345 setup the stagger is pretty close at 1.2, with the 265/315 setup (both 35 profile) the stagger was 1.1 with a ratio of 1.053 (stock is 1.051), and I ran into some TC issues but not nearly as bad as the 265/345 setup.
Also the stagger on the 295/30/19 - 345/30/19 setup has a stagger of .7, but a ratio of 1.041.
There is one more set of tires that might also work which are the Pirelli P-Zero slicks.
They make a 275/675/19 and a 325/705/19 which is a 1.18 stagger that is better then what I was running
What size width did you order on your 19s?
The 295s require a 10 inch rim.
Last edited by GT345; 10-29-2017 at 12:09 PM.
#33
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Out of curiosity, why the Hoosiers? I mean, I know why... but you car is easily sub 2 at chuckwalla bone stock off the showroom floor. Getting it there on the mpsc2 consistently then jumping to a hoho and running without tc (chuckwalla is a fantastic track for this, you get lots of space and lots of corners to control on slip,angle) would seem more prudent. The endless chase of laptimes starts with the driver. I’m barely sub 2 at chuck in my 997 on nt01 and there are at least a couple few more seconds there. Btw, chuck is seriously hard on tires as you are finding out. But that crack addiction from the sniff of slicks and Hoosiers is strong...
#35
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Out of curiosity, why the Hoosiers? I mean, I know why... but you car is easily sub 2 at chuckwalla bone stock off the showroom floor. Getting it there on the mpsc2 consistently then jumping to a hoho and running without tc (chuckwalla is a fantastic track for this, you get lots of space and lots of corners to control on slip,angle) would seem more prudent. The endless chase of laptimes starts with the driver. I’m barely sub 2 at chuck in my 997 on nt01 and there are at least a couple few more seconds there. Btw, chuck is seriously hard on tires as you are finding out. But that crack addiction from the sniff of slicks and Hoosiers is strong...
The nose can go down for front grip, allowing more adjustments in setup to suit the drivers preferences.
Cost per set and I think they will maybe last longer then the MPSC2 as they respond to more Camber. Also more consistent from lap 2 through the end of the session where MPSC2 go off over a second after lap 4.
#36
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Out of curiosity, why the Hoosiers? I mean, I know why... but you car is easily sub 2 at chuckwalla bone stock off the showroom floor. Getting it there on the mpsc2 consistently then jumping to a hoho and running without tc (chuckwalla is a fantastic track for this, you get lots of space and lots of corners to control on slip,angle) would seem more prudent. The endless chase of laptimes starts with the driver. I’m barely sub 2 at chuck in my 997 on nt01 and there are at least a couple few more seconds there. Btw, chuck is seriously hard on tires as you are finding out. But that crack addiction from the sniff of slicks and Hoosiers is strong...
Just looking to figure out how to do it on the RS without the TC issues.
I waited over a year to do this, so I believe I am ready for it.
#38
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
The 295 Hoosier requires a 10" minimum front.
The 275 Pirelli requires a 9.5" to 11" in the front.
The 265 Hooiser requires a 9" to 10" in the front.
The 235 Hooiser requires a 8" to 9.5" in the front.
So with your 9" front you can run all but the 295 Hoosiers or the 275 Pirelli, also keep in mind going with a smaller width rim will make the spread of the tire a little smaller.
Is it to late to change your fronts to 9.5?
#39
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
In my case anyway:
The nose can go down for front grip, allowing more adjustments in setup to suit the drivers preferences.
Cost per set and I think they will maybe last longer then the MPSC2 as they respond to more Camber. Also more consistent from lap 2 through the end of the session where MPSC2 go off over a second after lap 4.
The nose can go down for front grip, allowing more adjustments in setup to suit the drivers preferences.
Cost per set and I think they will maybe last longer then the MPSC2 as they respond to more Camber. Also more consistent from lap 2 through the end of the session where MPSC2 go off over a second after lap 4.
You are lucky if you get 2 weekends out of it, most likely you will only get one weekend out of them
People do claim that the slicks lasts a weekend longer then the Hoosiers, but those do cost more so it comes roughly to the same.
#40
Burning Brakes
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#41
Burning Brakes
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Thank you.
My 19” are on the way.
Another RS owner confirmed with me that 295 will fit in front but sticks out beyond the black front bumper extensions and will create more drag.
Will try 235 front as the ratio front to rear stays closer to oem ratio.
I figure the biggest advantage going to 19” is being able to drop the car a lot so the front will find most grip as it can drop more. So no reason to max out front width.
I would only run 345 rear due to higher load rating and I still wouldn’t run it at Daytona and other high speed tracks. Not so much a problem in Kalifornia.
With that in mind I will try diffuser, maybe more wing and soften rear bar as well..
SC going nuts will be a no-go for me.
A bit more rake will have funny effects on diffuser and wing.
Plan is to test diffuser and ceramic rotors this coming weekend and the 19” Hoosiers DEC 9+10.
This will be 2 full days of testing with setup at Sebring but I hope to share more in December..
My 19” are on the way.
Another RS owner confirmed with me that 295 will fit in front but sticks out beyond the black front bumper extensions and will create more drag.
Will try 235 front as the ratio front to rear stays closer to oem ratio.
I figure the biggest advantage going to 19” is being able to drop the car a lot so the front will find most grip as it can drop more. So no reason to max out front width.
I would only run 345 rear due to higher load rating and I still wouldn’t run it at Daytona and other high speed tracks. Not so much a problem in Kalifornia.
With that in mind I will try diffuser, maybe more wing and soften rear bar as well..
SC going nuts will be a no-go for me.
A bit more rake will have funny effects on diffuser and wing.
Plan is to test diffuser and ceramic rotors this coming weekend and the 19” Hoosiers DEC 9+10.
This will be 2 full days of testing with setup at Sebring but I hope to share more in December..
I been running what has been recommended for me and it has gotten better but still not 100% and I was running a 31 difference last time I was out to track, first time was 18.
Found a website that had all the tire revolutions already setup for the Hoosiers and SC2.
Also the 235 are only .2 difference in tread width so not to much, so might not cause as much understeer as i originally thought and can always play with the sway bars if needed.
Will probably get a set for my event coming up in a couple weeks since I also have the original 345s ready to go with only 3 sessions on them so I will let you know.
Last edited by GT345; 10-30-2017 at 01:41 AM.
#42
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
New update for you...
Ran the 235/345 setup today for the last 2 sessions at Buttonwillow and things working pretty good.
Tomorrow will be the true test as for some reason I have had success with the other sizes but got progressively worse after each session.
I will say I feel pretty good about it so far, the car feels really good and there has been no signs so far of any TC issue.
Ran the 235/345 setup today for the last 2 sessions at Buttonwillow and things working pretty good.
Tomorrow will be the true test as for some reason I have had success with the other sizes but got progressively worse after each session.
I will say I feel pretty good about it so far, the car feels really good and there has been no signs so far of any TC issue.
Last edited by GT345; 11-27-2017 at 08:15 PM.
#43
Burning Brakes
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I can officially say the 235 up front with either the 325 or 345 in the back will work without TC issues.
Here is a video of me using this setup at Buttonwillow.
Here is a video of me using this setup at Buttonwillow.
#44
Burning Brakes
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#45
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i have, works perfect.
More grip, better gearing and no SC issues. Another big advantage is that the car goes down a lot AND you can play with rake a lot more for better setup.
Tried both 235 /345 and 265/345.
265 front needs the computer to learn for a couple of laps and then SC stays quiet.
the tire stays fast much longer into the session and combined with ST Rotors the car is way more consistent.
took 3 seconds of my time. 2:16 VS 2:13 now
More grip, better gearing and no SC issues. Another big advantage is that the car goes down a lot AND you can play with rake a lot more for better setup.
Tried both 235 /345 and 265/345.
265 front needs the computer to learn for a couple of laps and then SC stays quiet.
the tire stays fast much longer into the session and combined with ST Rotors the car is way more consistent.
took 3 seconds of my time. 2:16 VS 2:13 now