991.1 GT3 COG: Our Meeting with PCNA/PAG plus Porsche's Official Announcement - Page 5 - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

Go Back  Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums > Water Cooled Technical Discussion Areas > 991 GT3 GT3RS and 911R
Reload this Page > 991.1 GT3 COG: Our Meeting with PCNA/PAG plus Porsche's Official Announcement
Notices
991 GT3 GT3RS and 911R
Sponsored by: Inside Car Connection

991.1 GT3 COG: Our Meeting with PCNA/PAG plus Porsche's Official Announcement

Reply

Old 08-07-2017, 07:50 PM
  #61
Lodi
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Lodi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Milton, GA
Posts: 633
Default

My turn....





Lodi is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 07:51 PM
  #62
robmypro
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
 
robmypro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,732
Default

So awesome, Dave!
robmypro is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 07:53 PM
  #63
TRAKCAR
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
TRAKCAR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: S. Florida
Posts: 24,350
Default

Originally Posted by robmypro View Post
By the way, here is the presentation we made to Porsche.

Buncha Type A overachievers..
TRAKCAR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 07:54 PM
  #64
DaveGordon
User
 
DaveGordon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: ZŘrich, Switzerland
Posts: 471
Default

Brilliant news! Thanks very much to everyone involved!
DaveGordon is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 07:54 PM
  #65
CDinSing
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
CDinSing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Melbourne, Florida
Posts: 337
Default

Signing cars was so cool.
CDinSing is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 07:57 PM
  #66
mcsmcs1
User
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Austin
Posts: 906
Default

Originally Posted by Manifold View Post
No offense intended, but I think it would be very unwise for a 991.1 GT3 owner to tamper with the engine in the hope of slightly 'upgrading' it, at high risk of voiding a 10yr/120K warranty. If I was in Porsche's shoes, I'd certainly deny warranty coverage in that circumstance.

After the warranty expires, that's a different story, and rebuilds and upgrades are on the table. But warranty expiration is, fortunately, now very far away.

The warranty is gift and bargain for anyone who intends to track the car heavily. 120K miles is about 1300 hours at track speeds. Where else can you put up to 1300 track hours on an engine, spend nothing on rebuilds during those 1300 hours, and you get a new engine at no cost if it fails during those 1300 hours?
A new engine at no cost only if the failure is a result of the finger follower issue correct? This is not a comprensive engine warranty extension as I understand it.
mcsmcs1 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 07:58 PM
  #67
robmypro
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
 
robmypro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,732
Default

Originally Posted by mcsmcs1 View Post
A new engine at no cost only if the failure is a result of the finger follower issue correct? This is not a comprensive engine warranty extension as I understand it.
That is correct. This extended warranty ONLY covers this finger follower issue.
robmypro is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 07:59 PM
  #68
GrantG
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
GrantG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Denver
Posts: 7,762
Default

For those wondering how good a result this is, it is unbelievably good for track guys. 120k miles is 1,200 hours at an average of 100mph (most tracks in the US are not nearly this fast). Most track cars that rev to 9,000 rpm require a new engine or major rebuild by 100 hours. So, this warranty is the equivalent of 12 motors included with the 991.1 GT3 (for this particular failure mode). Pretty astounding! Puts an owner completely at ease with respect to the finger follower issue.

This will be very good for the car's reputation and resale value!
GrantG is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 08:00 PM
  #69
sgroer
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
sgroer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Roswell, GA
Posts: 2,372
Default

Originally Posted by mcsmcs1 View Post
A new engine at no cost only if the failure is a result of the finger follower issue correct? This is not a comprensive engine warranty extension as I understand it.

We will await Porsche's official announcement on that. I believe it's for this issue.

The testing procedure is as follows - misfire code, open valve cover and inspect , FF shows wear, then new engine.
sgroer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 08:06 PM
  #70
GT3 KSA
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
GT3 KSA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 998
Default

Great Efforts = Fantastic Results

Kudos to all who helped make this outcome a reality and special thank you to Rob for seeing this through to the end; a true class act

Originally Posted by robmypro

Ultimately...an RS is an RS. :-)
this made me laugh so hard
GT3 KSA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 08:06 PM
  #71
robmypro
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
 
robmypro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,732
Default

Originally Posted by sgroer View Post
We will await Porsche's official announcement on that. I believe it's for this issue.

The testing procedure is as follows - misfire code, open valve cover and inspect , FF shows wear, then new engine.
You are right, Sean. It ONLY covers this specific issue. Everything else is covered under the 4 year, 50,000 standard warranty (in the USA).
robmypro is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 08:19 PM
  #72
montoya
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
montoya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,262
Default

Originally Posted by TRAKCAR View Post
Sorry, I had to go on cars.com first to look for a cheap high mileage stripper 2014 GT3 before the owners find out.

Well done guys.
Originally Posted by sgroer View Post
I was actually looking last night... What a great deal!
Bastards! And I sold my GT3 already too!!

Oh well, let's hope my PTS comes through!

A similar solution happened in 2003 with BMW and E46 M3's with rod bearing failures. Extended the warranty to 6 years 100K miles. The cars that had this coverage ended up being more valuable during the warranty period.

Great work Rob and good on Porsche for doing the right thing!
montoya is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 08:20 PM
  #73
Nick
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: La Jolla
Posts: 2,995
Default

Originally Posted by robmypro View Post
You are right, Sean. It ONLY covers this specific issue. Everything else is covered under the 4 year, 50,000 standard warranty (in the USA).
Its better than what you had before.:thumbs:

My question is did they know about this issue and if so when did they know? If not and it only came to their attention because of the group action, why didn't they know it?
Nick is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 08:21 PM
  #74
Chris3963
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Europe, but more often than not, in a plane
Posts: 1,386
Default

Unbelievable result and an absolute credit to the group who hunted this down. I would like to think that your collective efforts were the linchpin for Porsche to make such a grand gesture.

Amongst all the trivial stuff that gets posted, this is an outstanding reminder that there is some real substatial purpose in being a member of this forum.

And big thanks to Porsche, since I had my engine rebuild, I had almost become reluctant to drive it but now I feel I can get out there and just drive.

THIS IS WHY WE BUY PORSCHE!
Chris3963 is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2017, 08:23 PM
  #75
Manifold
Super User
 
Manifold's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Close enough to plenty of good tracks
Posts: 3,474
Default

Originally Posted by mcsmcs1 View Post
A new engine at no cost only if the failure is a result of the finger follower issue correct? This is not a comprensive engine warranty extension as I understand it.
Sure, but I doubt Porsche is going to deny warranty coverage on a grenaded engine if proper maintenance was done with the oil changes, etc. The PDK prevents over-revs, so I think the default would need to be to attribute engine failure to this issue.

Porsche had to put that language in there because otherwise people could be negligent about oil changes, putting sugar in the gas, etc. and still try to get warranty coverage.

I'm confident that Porsche will stand behind the warranty, and am going to continue to drive the heck out of the car (while doing diligent maintenance).
Manifold is offline  
Reply With Quote
 

Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
robmypro
991 GT3 GT3RS and 911R
51
12-06-2017 06:50 PM
robmypro
991 GT3 GT3RS and 911R
497
08-08-2017 04:56 PM
robmypro
991 GT3 GT3RS and 911R
10
07-12-2017 12:12 AM
robmypro
991 GT3 GT3RS and 911R
79
07-05-2017 08:06 PM

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -3. The time now is 07:34 AM.


Copyright ę 1998 - 2017 Rennlist.com We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: