991.1 GT3 COG: Our Meeting with PCNA/PAG plus Porsche's Official Announcement
10-03-2018, 01:54 PM
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oh wait. It’s just waiting for us to install and in the car this fall...
10-04-2018, 12:38 PM
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10-09-2018, 04:14 PM
#439
Your car has a very short ($$) shelf life. Wait until 2024 and see how much its worth then as is.
I'm thinking at least 2-3 years before this date these cars are going to tank in value as who wants to pay for the repair.
Time to consider the upgrade would be now when the value of these cars is at its highest.
10-09-2018, 05:57 PM
#440
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Something that you may not have considered?
Your car has a very short ($$) shelf life. Wait until 2024 and see how much its worth then as is.
I'm thinking at least 2-3 years before this date these cars are going to tank in value as who wants to pay for the repair.
Time to consider the upgrade would be now when the value of these cars is at its highest.
Your car has a very short ($$) shelf life. Wait until 2024 and see how much its worth then as is.
I'm thinking at least 2-3 years before this date these cars are going to tank in value as who wants to pay for the repair.
Time to consider the upgrade would be now when the value of these cars is at its highest.
10-09-2018, 06:55 PM
#441
Interesting viewpoint. I just don’t look at cars like that i guess. Let’s say i sell now for $120k (maybe) then upgrade to a very similar .2 for $200k. There goes $80k. That buys a lot of depreciation on my .1. Besides, i would never upgrade 991.1 to 991.2. Maybe when a 992.2 comes out i might reconsider. Car runs great, looks great and is exactly as i want it spec’d. For the $80k i would rather buy a ZL1 or GT350 tbh. Besides, i like the looks of the .1 a lot more.
But do you think you will get anything for your car closer to the end date of the warranty. Not only will the value drop, so will the demand. If you could get 120K now, I wonder what these will sell for closer to their shelf life. There is no fix and will not be one from Porsche it seems. The only fix is the one that Dundon have currently.
I think cars with this upgrade will hold their value better, be the ones sort after as there will not be chance of the problem re occurring after the warranty expires. As these cars get older, the cost of the repair parts will increase. Its happening with all parts now. Huge jump in the cost of parts even parts not that old. VW is clawing back every penny they can to pay off their huge debt. The 991.1 parts will be no different.
10-09-2018, 07:11 PM
#442
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You make a good point.
But do you think you will get anything for your car closer to the end date of the warranty. Not only will the value drop, so will the demand. If you could get 120K now, I wonder what these will sell for closer to their shelf life. There is no fix and will not be one from Porsche it seems. The only fix is the one that Dundon have currently.
I think cars with this upgrade will hold their value better, be the ones sort after as there will not be chance of the problem re occurring after the warranty expires. As these cars get older, the cost of the repair parts will increase. Its happening with all parts now. Huge jump in the cost of parts even parts not that old. VW is clawing back every penny they can to pay off their huge debt. The 991.1 parts will be no different.
But do you think you will get anything for your car closer to the end date of the warranty. Not only will the value drop, so will the demand. If you could get 120K now, I wonder what these will sell for closer to their shelf life. There is no fix and will not be one from Porsche it seems. The only fix is the one that Dundon have currently.
I think cars with this upgrade will hold their value better, be the ones sort after as there will not be chance of the problem re occurring after the warranty expires. As these cars get older, the cost of the repair parts will increase. Its happening with all parts now. Huge jump in the cost of parts even parts not that old. VW is clawing back every penny they can to pay off their huge debt. The 991.1 parts will be no different.
10-09-2018, 07:16 PM
#443
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Something that you may not have considered?
Your car has a very short ($$) shelf life. Wait until 2024 and see how much its worth then as is.
I'm thinking at least 2-3 years before this date these cars are going to tank in value as who wants to pay for the repair.
Time to consider the upgrade would be now when the value of these cars is at its highest.
Your car has a very short ($$) shelf life. Wait until 2024 and see how much its worth then as is.
I'm thinking at least 2-3 years before this date these cars are going to tank in value as who wants to pay for the repair.
Time to consider the upgrade would be now when the value of these cars is at its highest.
10-09-2018, 08:00 PM
#444
I disagree about there not being a fix. We were shown data and the new parts, and i have no reason to doubt PAG. The fix works. In 6 years when are engine warranties are up i might think differently, but by then i will have 100,000 miles. $80k buys a lot of repairs too.
Did they show you a complete cylinder head or just the cams in the display fixture you showed? You have the advantage of being there. Were you shown a complete head assembled? Have you seen a fully assembled head?
I wonder why they went to all the time and cost to redesign the .2 engine if they felt the problem was solved in the 991.1 engine?
I heard they wanted to make the 991.2 more like a race engine. Is this correct?
The present financial situation that VW finds itself in, does it make sense that they would spend all that development money re designing something that already works, just to be more racy? Something that the owner never see's. Be different if they sold you a racing stripe and a number to stick on the door
I'm not so gullible when it comes believing what they want you to believe.
10-10-2018, 02:05 AM
#445
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No reason to disagree with you. But...….?
Did they show you a complete cylinder head or just the cams in the display fixture you showed? You have the advantage of being there. Were you shown a complete head assembled? Have you seen a fully assembled head?
I wonder why they went to all the time and cost to redesign the .2 engine if they felt the problem was solved in the 991.1 engine?
I heard they wanted to make the 991.2 more like a race engine. Is this correct?
The present financial situation that VW finds itself in, does it make sense that they would spend all that development money re designing something that already works, just to be more racy? Something that the owner never see's. Be different if they sold you a racing stripe and a number to stick on the door
I'm not so gullible when it comes believing what they want you to believe.
Did they show you a complete cylinder head or just the cams in the display fixture you showed? You have the advantage of being there. Were you shown a complete head assembled? Have you seen a fully assembled head?
I wonder why they went to all the time and cost to redesign the .2 engine if they felt the problem was solved in the 991.1 engine?
I heard they wanted to make the 991.2 more like a race engine. Is this correct?
The present financial situation that VW finds itself in, does it make sense that they would spend all that development money re designing something that already works, just to be more racy? Something that the owner never see's. Be different if they sold you a racing stripe and a number to stick on the door
I'm not so gullible when it comes believing what they want you to believe.
10-10-2018, 05:34 AM
#446
In the .2, the valvetrain design is just a bit simplified. They gave up the hydraulic lash adjustment to enhance the tolarances for parts spec / metallurgy. So maybe the sensitivity of the .1 heads are the reason why they dropped the lash adjusters but that doesn't mean, the problem in .1 engines is not fixed by the new (expensive 
) parts. We will see, I'm relaxed and and enjoy the great engine.
) parts. We will see, I'm relaxed and and enjoy the great engine.
10-10-2018, 01:38 PM
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In the .2, the valvetrain design is just a bit simplified. They gave up the hydraulic lash adjustment to enhance the tolarances for parts spec / metallurgy. So maybe the sensitivity of the .1 heads are the reason why they dropped the lash adjusters but that doesn't mean, the problem in .1 engines is not fixed by the new (expensive ) parts. We will see, I'm relaxed and and enjoy the great engine.
) parts. We will see, I'm relaxed and and enjoy the great engine.Not sure why i would sell this car, take a $80k bath, only to get a car that is very similar. But i totally understand that others don’t feel the same way. Vote with your wallet.
10-10-2018, 02:40 PM
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Exactly. The .1 engine is excellent. If yours does develop the issue, you will get a new engine with the fixed solution. Absolutely no downside to this engine. And if you disregard the finger follower issue these engines have been bullet proof. So Porsche actually came up with a great design, undermined by poor metallurgy on the finger followers. And any risk from this finger follower issue is mitigated (and then some) by the longest engine warranty of all time.
Not sure why i would sell this car, take a $80k bath, only to get a car that is very similar. But i totally understand that others don’t feel the same way. Vote with your wallet.
10-10-2018, 02:44 PM
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10-10-2018, 03:04 PM
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