991.1 GT3 COG: Our Meeting with PCNA/PAG plus Porsche's Official Announcement
08-09-2017, 07:18 AM
#226
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This is fantastic news. Thank you all for your hard work and professionalism in handling this manner on our behalf. I could not be happier with this outcome. Bravo!
08-09-2017, 08:15 AM
#227
Race Director
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I wanted to be clear on some of the wording in case I miss understood it...
What I think is meant:
Porsche will replace the engine (with the new developed cams) WITHIN 120,000miles/10 years whichever comes first as long as it is related to the cam finger follower issue? Is this correct?
And not:
Porsche will provide a warranty for the engine for 120,000miles/10 years whichever comes first as long as it is relating to this issue. (PLUS) In addition Porsche will replace the engine (with the new developed cams) pertaining to this issue life long?
I'd appreciate the clarity in the wording. Thanks
What I think is meant:
Porsche will replace the engine (with the new developed cams) WITHIN 120,000miles/10 years whichever comes first as long as it is related to the cam finger follower issue? Is this correct?
And not:
Porsche will provide a warranty for the engine for 120,000miles/10 years whichever comes first as long as it is relating to this issue. (PLUS) In addition Porsche will replace the engine (with the new developed cams) pertaining to this issue life long?
I'd appreciate the clarity in the wording. Thanks
08-09-2017, 08:18 AM
#228
Originally Posted by robmypro
Let me try to summarize it. If, within 10 years or 120,000 miles from in-service date, you experience this particular engine failure, Porsche will replace your engine with a brand new engine, containing revised parts. So your first interpretation is correct.
08-09-2017, 10:24 AM
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We may need clarification on what "the issue" is which has the extended warranty coverage.
As a non-expert, seems to me that the metallurgy defects being described could eventually manifest in damage to a range of engine components, resulting in more than one possible failure mode, and there could be significant damage before the CEL comes on.
I assume that, for the engines which fail despite proper maintenance (and evidently no over-revs), Porsche isn't going to undertake a forensic analysis of each engine in order to try to make a case that the failure wasn't related to "this issue," and that the default assumption would be that the failure is related to this issue unless there's strong evidence to the contrary.
A related point is that it wouldn't be reasonable to expect owners to do engine rebuilds during the 10/120 warranty period, since such 'tampering' with the engine could provide grounds for Porsche to deny warranty coverage. The only engine work Porsche can reasonably expect owners to do during the warranty period is normal maintenance such as oil changes, spark plug replacement, etc.
What impression do you guys have on Porsche's position on this?
As a non-expert, seems to me that the metallurgy defects being described could eventually manifest in damage to a range of engine components, resulting in more than one possible failure mode, and there could be significant damage before the CEL comes on.
I assume that, for the engines which fail despite proper maintenance (and evidently no over-revs), Porsche isn't going to undertake a forensic analysis of each engine in order to try to make a case that the failure wasn't related to "this issue," and that the default assumption would be that the failure is related to this issue unless there's strong evidence to the contrary.
A related point is that it wouldn't be reasonable to expect owners to do engine rebuilds during the 10/120 warranty period, since such 'tampering' with the engine could provide grounds for Porsche to deny warranty coverage. The only engine work Porsche can reasonably expect owners to do during the warranty period is normal maintenance such as oil changes, spark plug replacement, etc.
What impression do you guys have on Porsche's position on this?
08-09-2017, 11:30 AM
#230
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Thread Starter
We may need clarification on what "the issue" is which has the extended warranty coverage.
As a non-expert, seems to me that the metallurgy defects being described could eventually manifest in damage to a range of engine components, resulting in more than one possible failure mode, and there could be significant damage before the CEL comes on.
I assume that, for the engines which fail despite proper maintenance (and evidently no over-revs), Porsche isn't going to undertake a forensic analysis of each engine in order to try to make a case that the failure wasn't related to "this issue," and that the default assumption would be that the failure is related to this issue unless there's strong evidence to the contrary.
A related point is that it wouldn't be reasonable to expect owners to do engine rebuilds during the 10/120 warranty period, since such 'tampering' with the engine could provide grounds for Porsche to deny warranty coverage. The only engine work Porsche can reasonably expect owners to do during the warranty period is normal maintenance such as oil changes, spark plug replacement, etc.
What impression do you guys have on Porsche's position on this?
As a non-expert, seems to me that the metallurgy defects being described could eventually manifest in damage to a range of engine components, resulting in more than one possible failure mode, and there could be significant damage before the CEL comes on.
I assume that, for the engines which fail despite proper maintenance (and evidently no over-revs), Porsche isn't going to undertake a forensic analysis of each engine in order to try to make a case that the failure wasn't related to "this issue," and that the default assumption would be that the failure is related to this issue unless there's strong evidence to the contrary.
A related point is that it wouldn't be reasonable to expect owners to do engine rebuilds during the 10/120 warranty period, since such 'tampering' with the engine could provide grounds for Porsche to deny warranty coverage. The only engine work Porsche can reasonably expect owners to do during the warranty period is normal maintenance such as oil changes, spark plug replacement, etc.
What impression do you guys have on Porsche's position on this?
08-09-2017, 02:47 PM
#231
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We may need clarification on what "the issue" is which has the extended warranty coverage.
As a non-expert, seems to me that the metallurgy defects being described could eventually manifest in damage to a range of engine components, resulting in more than one possible failure mode, and there could be significant damage before the CEL comes on.
I assume that, for the engines which fail despite proper maintenance (and evidently no over-revs), Porsche isn't going to undertake a forensic analysis of each engine in order to try to make a case that the failure wasn't related to "this issue," and that the default assumption would be that the failure is related to this issue unless there's strong evidence to the contrary.
A related point is that it wouldn't be reasonable to expect owners to do engine rebuilds during the 10/120 warranty period, since such 'tampering' with the engine could provide grounds for Porsche to deny warranty coverage. The only engine work Porsche can reasonably expect owners to do during the warranty period is normal maintenance such as oil changes, spark plug replacement, etc.
What impression do you guys have on Porsche's position on this?
As a non-expert, seems to me that the metallurgy defects being described could eventually manifest in damage to a range of engine components, resulting in more than one possible failure mode, and there could be significant damage before the CEL comes on.
I assume that, for the engines which fail despite proper maintenance (and evidently no over-revs), Porsche isn't going to undertake a forensic analysis of each engine in order to try to make a case that the failure wasn't related to "this issue," and that the default assumption would be that the failure is related to this issue unless there's strong evidence to the contrary.
A related point is that it wouldn't be reasonable to expect owners to do engine rebuilds during the 10/120 warranty period, since such 'tampering' with the engine could provide grounds for Porsche to deny warranty coverage. The only engine work Porsche can reasonably expect owners to do during the warranty period is normal maintenance such as oil changes, spark plug replacement, etc.
What impression do you guys have on Porsche's position on this?
Dr Walliser stated if a customer came in with a CEL that would not clear the shop would pull the valve covers and if they see worn followers, they will replace the engine, no questions. Although he did not state it, having gone through the process with my car, I can say looking for bad plugs and coil packs is the first and simplest remedy. If that doesn't clear the CEL then they take off the valve covers.
08-09-2017, 05:53 PM
#233
Race Director
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Just spoke with Road & Track. They might do a separate story on this. We'll see.
08-09-2017, 06:10 PM
#235
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08-09-2017, 06:29 PM
#237
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08-09-2017, 06:49 PM
#238
Sorry, late to party.
So if I have a 2014, original factory warranty in-service for 4 years since new, then that means I only really have 6 years left covering me for this finger follower issue, correct? Time is the limiting factor here for me.
Thanks.
So if I have a 2014, original factory warranty in-service for 4 years since new, then that means I only really have 6 years left covering me for this finger follower issue, correct? Time is the limiting factor here for me.
Thanks.
08-09-2017, 06:52 PM
#239
Race Director
Thread Starter
Yes, correct. You get 6 more years in the US.
08-09-2017, 06:53 PM
#240
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Yes. "Only" 6 more years
