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Old 08-04-2017, 01:15 PM
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The buyer holds all the power of whether or not to pay above MSRP. There is no gun to anyone's head.
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:17 PM
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agree, free market so I have no problem with a dealer seeking to maximize profit, it's their job! The only thing that has pissed me off, so much that I even escalated it to Porsche, is when a dealer agrees to something and backs out.
Agree, disden. This is exactly why I will never do business with Brandon Starks/Porsche Jacksonville. Fool me once, as the saying goes.
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sportscentury View Post
Agree, disden. This is exactly why I will never do business with Brandon Starks/Porsche Jacksonville. Fool me once, as the saying goes.
They went from Ray Shaffer to ... that guy.

A rather vertiginous decline in quality.
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Old 08-04-2017, 02:21 PM
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They went from Ray Shaffer to ... that guy.

A rather vertiginous decline in quality.
Indeed!
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Old 08-04-2017, 03:49 PM
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They went from Ray Shaffer to ... that guy.

A rather vertiginous decline in quality.
Be careful don't diss the three eyed raven.
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Old 08-04-2017, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3 View Post
Well, I guess it didn't take long until one of the California stealers trolls Rennlist looking for a buy to pay an ADM for a GT3 allocation.

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...-interest.html

A few buyers changed their minds and so these guys have some allocations available at market market? Yeah ok. First of all, there isn't a market price as no cars have sold. Second of all, we know that the stealer is spec'ing their own cars to sell instead of selling to local customers. Let's welcome Walters to the stealership list.
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I still don't understand how you feel it is OK for individuals like yourself to flip cars for a profit at market value, but not OK for companies in the business of selling cars for profit at market value to do so?
Meh, give Martin a break.

He's just trying to thin out the competition for his own cars he's trying to flip.
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Old 08-04-2017, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit View Post
Meh, give Martin a break.

He's just trying to thin out the competition for his own cars he's trying to flip.
I don't mind them asking OVER MSRP, but in the manner they are doing it is insulting. Just freaking come out and say that you have an allocation and are looking to get "market price"...whatever that is since there have been no transactions for the car.

They used to be known as a good guy dealer and I used to service my cars there but obviously the dollars are more important than taking care of their good customers. So be it, they aren't getting another penny from me.

Cars that I'm trying to flip? Last time I checked, I'm a driver and not a flipper. Calling me a flipper is like calling Auto Gallery the best dealership in the US.
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Old 08-04-2017, 06:50 PM
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There is a difference between ADM, and blind auction to the highest bidder... two different levels of poor business. Then, a further level of crappiness is when your car was promised to you at Msrp after years of waiting, and then you arrive only to be offered the option to blind bid at said auction.. that's level 10 crappiness. These are all varying degrees of sleaze which we, as ultimate arbiters of morality, must decide on.

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(Don't make me remind you to press the "S" button)
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee View Post
I still don't understand how you feel it is OK for individuals like yourself to flip cars for a profit at market value, but not OK for companies in the business of selling cars for profit at market value to do so?
Just add him to your ignore list. It makes Rennlist a better experience. Have a few more I need to add also.
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Old 08-04-2017, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RealityGT View Post
They are chumming the waters.. I hope they are forced to sell all allocations at MSRP.
Out of curiosity, what do you think the "S" means in "MSRP"?
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Old 08-04-2017, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
Are you comparing someone who buys, drives an then later sells their used car at a profit to someone who buys simply to flip at a margin? I'd say the latter is very different, as it results in a material percentage of cars sitting unused for a long period of time rather than being driven as intended. That's the real problem with flipping IMO. That and the fact that, if there is profit to be made, it should be going directly to Porsche AG, not some flipper.
Drive it 1 mile or 10,000...I see no difference. When cheap money inflates a market...be it cars or houses (ahem)...everybody on the selling end benefits.
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Sorry to see Walters go over to the dark side. I used to respect them.

I will never buy a new Porsche in California, except maybe from CJ.
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Sorry to see Walters go over to the dark side. I used to respect them.

I will never buy a new Porsche in California, except maybe from CJ.
Yup, the good guy dealer list is very short in CA where you can count them on one hand with Fresno Porsche being at the top. Walters does have a wonderful service department but I will not support them any longer.
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Originally Posted by 81911 View Post
Just add him to your ignore list. It makes Rennlist a better experience. Have a few more I need to add also.
I love the ignore list. I have several on it. It really does make RL a better place.
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Old 08-04-2017, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Yup, the good guy dealer list is very short in CA where you can count them on one hand with Fresno Porsche being at the top. Walters does have a wonderful service department but I will not support them any longer.
Maybe that's the answer../ this entire concept of doing business in a certain way is not applicable any longer
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