View Poll Results: For your new 991 GT3 or GT3 RS purchase, did you pay ADM?
Not so simple - I had a trade-in or am in the 918 VIP program
9
6.52%
No, I got it for MSRP
110
79.71%
Yes, I paid ADM of less than $10,000
4
2.90%
Yes, I paid ADM of $10,000 or more
15
10.87%
Voters: 138. You may not vote on this poll
Poll: Did you pay ADM on GT3 purchase
08-01-2017, 05:33 PM
#16
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
For those that paid under MSRP, that's great. 
I didn't think that would be a significant number but perhaps I was mistaken.
The big thing this shows though is the majority of buyers on rennlist were able to get their car without paying any ADM at all.
Considering the other poll asking how long it takes to acquire a new GT3 or GT3 RS at MSRP from when a deposit is placed, that tells two things:
1. Regardless of what a sales rep at a dealer tells you, ADM is not typically paid to get these cars. This is important for first time buyers and is what I hoped to see from the poll results.
2. If a buyer is willing to pay ADM to cut the line, the typical amount of time for an MSRP car is an important baseline. If you won't get the car significantly faster, it's not worthwhile to pay a large ADM premium. But each of us will have different definitions for getting the car significantly faster and what is a large premium to pay.
Admittedly by mixing the GT3 and RS data the RS buyers will get less from this result. Too late now.
I didn't think that would be a significant number but perhaps I was mistaken.
The big thing this shows though is the majority of buyers on rennlist were able to get their car without paying any ADM at all.
Considering the other poll asking how long it takes to acquire a new GT3 or GT3 RS at MSRP from when a deposit is placed, that tells two things:
1. Regardless of what a sales rep at a dealer tells you, ADM is not typically paid to get these cars. This is important for first time buyers and is what I hoped to see from the poll results.
2. If a buyer is willing to pay ADM to cut the line, the typical amount of time for an MSRP car is an important baseline. If you won't get the car significantly faster, it's not worthwhile to pay a large ADM premium. But each of us will have different definitions for getting the car significantly faster and what is a large premium to pay.
Admittedly by mixing the GT3 and RS data the RS buyers will get less from this result. Too late now.
08-01-2017, 07:27 PM
#17
Rennlist Member
For those that have traded your current GT3 now, does the dealer need to keep the value of the trade in order to qualify for the tax credit - I have been told if they cut me a check now, they will not be able to credit my trade when I picked the .2 GT3 - it seem logical but I wanted to check what others are hearing.
08-01-2017, 07:39 PM
#18
For those that have traded your current GT3 now, does the dealer need to keep the value of the trade in order to qualify for the tax credit - I have been told if they cut me a check now, they will not be able to credit my trade when I picked the .2 GT3 - it seem logical but I wanted to check what others are hearing.
08-01-2017, 07:49 PM
#19
Oh so basically an interest free loan to the dealer for about a year until the car arrives. I can do a whole lot with $100k+ in one year.
08-01-2017, 07:50 PM
#20
For those that paid under MSRP, that's great.
I didn't think that would be a significant number but perhaps I was mistaken.
The big thing this shows though is the majority of buyers on rennlist were able to get their car without paying any ADM at all.
Considering the other poll asking how long it takes to acquire a new GT3 or GT3 RS at MSRP from when a deposit is placed, that tells two things:
1. Regardless of what a sales rep at a dealer tells you, ADM is not typically paid to get these cars. This is important for first time buyers and is what I hoped to see from the poll results.
2. If a buyer is willing to pay ADM to cut the line, the typical amount of time for an MSRP car is an important baseline. If you won't get the car significantly faster, it's not worthwhile to pay a large ADM premium. But each of us will have different definitions for getting the car significantly faster and what is a large premium to pay.
Admittedly by mixing the GT3 and RS data the RS buyers will get less from this result. Too late now.
I didn't think that would be a significant number but perhaps I was mistaken.
The big thing this shows though is the majority of buyers on rennlist were able to get their car without paying any ADM at all.
Considering the other poll asking how long it takes to acquire a new GT3 or GT3 RS at MSRP from when a deposit is placed, that tells two things:
1. Regardless of what a sales rep at a dealer tells you, ADM is not typically paid to get these cars. This is important for first time buyers and is what I hoped to see from the poll results.
2. If a buyer is willing to pay ADM to cut the line, the typical amount of time for an MSRP car is an important baseline. If you won't get the car significantly faster, it's not worthwhile to pay a large ADM premium. But each of us will have different definitions for getting the car significantly faster and what is a large premium to pay.
Admittedly by mixing the GT3 and RS data the RS buyers will get less from this result. Too late now.
A little harsh. Don’t you think ?
In order to “cut the line” we must believe the LINE was set up fair, its NOT.
While I am not a proponent of paying an ADM, I am of the belief that we all pay an ADM, one way or another:
Straight up ADM ($$$$)
Trade GT car certain % under MSRP (my action this purchase)
Many P car purchases (paying ADM little by little)
918 owners (payed out a ton of cash up front)
08-01-2017, 07:57 PM
#21
Yes, I am a fool. I am not as smart as most RL's are. I could put the 100K in a savings account and earn a half % interest. Then again, instead of paying the State registration fee/tax I could CHEAT and register in Montana under an LLC. I play it square and honest, I guess Im the fool.
08-01-2017, 08:14 PM
#22
Rennlist Member
Let's agree that not paying an ADM is a matter of principal. Otherwise, it makes sense to do so to get the car, given the current market. I do appreciate the principal; let us stick to it!
08-01-2017, 08:52 PM
#23
Rennlist Member
08-01-2017, 10:17 PM
#25
Rennlist Member
08-02-2017, 01:45 AM
#27
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
“cut the line”
A little harsh. Don’t you think ?
In order to “cut the line” we must believe the LINE was set up fair, its NOT.
While I am not a proponent of paying an ADM, I am of the belief that we all pay an ADM, one way or another:
Straight up ADM ($$$$)
Trade GT car certain % under MSRP (my action this purchase)
Many P car purchases (paying ADM little by little)
918 owners (payed out a ton of cash up front)
A little harsh. Don’t you think ?
In order to “cut the line” we must believe the LINE was set up fair, its NOT.
While I am not a proponent of paying an ADM, I am of the belief that we all pay an ADM, one way or another:
Straight up ADM ($$$$)
Trade GT car certain % under MSRP (my action this purchase)
Many P car purchases (paying ADM little by little)
918 owners (payed out a ton of cash up front)
What I really would hate to see is for someone to be misled or not understand how the process currently works and pay ADM because they are (falsely) convinced there is no other way. If someone pays ADM eyes wide open that's just fine - that just means Porsche needs to make more cars.
08-02-2017, 01:59 AM
#28
I didn't mean to be harsh so perhaps my choice of words was poor. Porsche isn't producing enough cars to meet demand. Supply is the issue, not whether someone pays ADM or not. I don't think the line should exist.
What I really would hate to see is for someone to be misled or not understand how the process currently works and pay ADM because they are (falsely) convinced there is no other way. If someone pays ADM eyes wide open that's just fine - that just means Porsche needs to make more cars.
What I really would hate to see is for someone to be misled or not understand how the process currently works and pay ADM because they are (falsely) convinced there is no other way. If someone pays ADM eyes wide open that's just fine - that just means Porsche needs to make more cars.
Unless PAG increases GT car production to meet demand ADM are in play. I hate the idea of an ADM, but most of us pay it one way, or another.
08-02-2017, 08:15 AM
#29
Why is there so much angst about ADM. only 11 people said they paid ADM. comments on the forum could make one think all cars out of Calif and 50% of the rest of the country paid ADM. the reported numbers to date do not indicate this.